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NH 69 with a thrower, need info please..........

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TP from Central

10-14-2003 16:37:05




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Their is a NH 69 coming up at a local auction..... ..... We got a NH 269 but it has a no thrower..... .I would like to have a thrower for next year to cut the labor down a tad(Rather have the guys stacking in the barn, then wagons in the field)..... ..What thrower did the 69 come with? Is it driven like the newer ones with a shaft? Would this baler work for 2K bales a year(I only would use it on our one farm 5 miles from the barn)? What is the going prices on these older balers?

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Steve450

10-15-2003 19:21:49




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 Re: NH 69 with a thrower, need info please........ in reply to TP from Central PA, 10-14-2003 16:37:05  
TP, Are you talking about the Fraley sale in jersey shore on the 25th??? The sale bill I have says it is a 269 w/thrower. BTW, we are going, maybe meet up with ya???



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TP from Central PA

10-16-2003 03:27:35




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 Re: Re: NH 69 with a thrower, need info please.... in reply to Steve450, 10-15-2003 19:21:49  
No..... .I didn't know about Fraleys? That is good though! All the farmers will go there ;-P This sale is over in Montgomery..... ..... I have to check out Fraleys page for that list!!!!!



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brian

10-15-2003 09:21:54




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 Re: NH 69 with a thrower, need info please........ in reply to TP from Central PA, 10-14-2003 16:37:05  
We had a 69 that was new in 1957. It came with a wisconsin motor to drive the baler. that motor lasted for 30 years with no repairs other that routine maintenance. Replaced it with a 10 hp briggs and used it for about 10 years before selling the baler. never had a problem with the briggs. we typically did about 4000 bales a year with the briggs on it.

sold it a couple of years ago for$700. it was in near mint condition. always greased and kept under cover. I can say it never spent a night outside or saw rain except for what may have dropped on it while taking it back to the barn when we had been trying to beat the rain.

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Hugh MacKay

10-15-2003 14:06:19




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 Re: Re: NH 69 with a thrower, need info please.... in reply to brian, 10-15-2003 09:21:54  
Brian: We're talking about a small Briggs that just ran the thrower the baler was in fact PTO driven. My dad's and later my baler did 30,000 bales per year. The Briggs on the thrower was only 5-6 hp. I just wouldn't stand the shock load when the bale hit the belts of the thrower. The new thrower had a shaft to front of baler and was belt driven from the flywheel. As I said before it broke 3 connecting rods in engine the first year. There was a lot of hay baled on the ground that year.

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Rick

10-15-2003 06:07:30




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 Re: NH 69 with a thrower, need info please........ in reply to TP from Central PA, 10-14-2003 16:37:05  
I would rather see you go with bale basket wagon instead of the thrower. Alot less headache and these wagons are much easier to unload. I ran three of them for over 12 years and loved them. Rick In fact my three went to your state when sold. Let me know if have any questions. I also grew up behind a kicker baler so I know whats involved.



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Steve from New Holland

10-15-2003 04:26:08




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 Re: NH 69 with a thrower, need info please........ in reply to TP from Central PA, 10-14-2003 16:37:05  
TP, you can mount a 50,53,53A,and if you don't mind a little bit of reman work, you can put a 54A thrower on the 69 baler. The most common number for the 69 would be the 53A. Steve



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TP from Central PA

10-15-2003 10:18:14




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 Re: Re: NH 69 with a thrower, need info please.... in reply to Steve from New Holland, 10-15-2003 04:26:08  
Steve, do you know what number thrower came factory on the 69? The ad says, "NH 69 with thrower"..... ..And can you confirm what Hugh said about the update? Was it just his dealer, or did all of them get an upgrade?

Would rather have a 311, but a cheap 69 would be ok with me ;-D Our one farm is real hilly so I can't make good time anyway, so a lower capacity baler is ok with me.



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Hugh MacKay

10-15-2003 02:38:36




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 Re: NH 69 with a thrower, need info please........ in reply to TP from Central PA, 10-14-2003 16:37:05  
TP: The very first throwers that came on the S-69 were powered by Briggs engine sitting right on the thrower. I rather doubt if any of those are still around. My dad bought one, the very first thrower to come to our area. It was also the last year for the S-69 baler. Even though the Briggs engine had flywheel about the size of a Farmall front wheel weight, the Briggs engine would not stand the shock of bale hitting the thrower belts. We broke 3 rods in the Briggs engine that first summer.

By the time the next season rolled around, NH had done a recall on those throwers. My understanding at the time was everyone got a complete new pto thrower. That new thrower was never on the market until the 269 baler was. We really didn't see why they changed the complete thrower as seeing the two together they were identical, except for the drive.

I think the thrower should fit, as I remember there were very few changes to 269 over the S-69. I think the pickup was the big change. The main frame and dimensions will be the same. The S-69 was quite hard to improve on, I saw figures last winter indicating the S-69 had the fewest warrenty claims per unit of any NH baler ever produced. Both the S-69 and the 269 were hard to match in the field for performance.

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TP from Central PA

10-15-2003 03:37:24




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 Re: Re: NH 69 with a thrower, need info please.... in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-15-2003 02:38:36  
Hugh, I seen a NH 67(Or something like that) sell at a sale last spring and it STILL had the Engine powered thrower on it! That is why I asked which one the 69 had..... ..... ..... .I really don't plan on converting the thrower to the 269, because we bale corn stalks and they are hard on thrower belts..... ...So it would be nice to have one with a thrower and one without.



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Hugh MacKay

10-15-2003 04:29:53




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 Re: Re: Re: NH 69 with a thrower, need info please in reply to TP from Central PA, 10-15-2003 03:37:24  
TP: I wouldn't take one of those engine driven throwers as a gift. It had a long cable control to tractor for throttle. So much spring in that control you had no idea on speed of belts. I remember first load my brother baled. He had something like 200 bales on ground and 65 on wagon. I will grant you this, that first wagon was only 16'. The following season we built wagons 20' long and 8' wide. Frank got so at end of 3000 bale day one guy could pickup the drops with pickup and without getting on to stack.

After the 3 broken rods, my dad had every intention of doing away with the thrower next season. He told the dealer so and told him he would erect the thrower at roadside with a sign on it telling what a piece of junk it was, unless he got his money back. I personally don't know of any others being changed as other farmers in area waited to see how we made out and indeed if the pto thrower would be any better. I can tell you this much, there were some skeptical older farmers in the area. All I know on the recall is what the dealer told us. I can see a dealer footing the bill on this one himself. This particular dealer was having a hayday taking IH 45 balers on trade. 5 years after this guy started his dealership, in our area it didn't matter color of tractor the balers were NH.

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jim

10-15-2003 06:21:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: NH 69 with a thrower, need info pl in reply to Hugh MacKay, 10-15-2003 04:29:53  
Hugh - Those were the days when you had very small, totally honest , hard working NH dealers who,for the most part, sold NH hay equipment only. Our local dealer , Jim Landon, sold NH equipment from a little roll-top desk in a small room in his home/grocery store/gas station. His word was as good as gold and some of my equipment still has his name on it. Unfortunately, heavy industry came into our area and took between 7-8000 acres of small dairy farms out of his area just after he finally expanded. Within 6 months, he had lost the core of his business and never recovered. He died within 3 years , I'm sure of a broken heart.
Sorry to be so long winded, but men like Jim are hard to forget.

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Hugh MacKay

10-15-2003 14:32:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NH 69 with a thrower, need inf in reply to jim, 10-15-2003 06:21:19  
Jim: They were great guys is right, and they knew something about the equipment they were selling. Through the 50s, 60s and 70s New Holland had the best written manuals in the industry. No one, absolutely no one could hold a candle to them. Those balers were the finest, easy to run, and tied like nothing else on market. I even baled a few loads of hay with thrower and pulling wagon with Farmall 130. Many times I've seen the Farmall 300 in 3rd gear with windrows the width of the pickup and just barely squeezing under the cross bar on pickup.

I once in a two day period baled 9,000 bales of onto thrower wagons and put it all in the barn with Farmalls 300, 130 and a Cockshutt 540. 130 did raking, 300 on baler and Cockshutt pulling wagons. We were not overloaded with horsepower. My brothers (4 of them) and I did this when dad was away, we were suposed to get ready for haying, but not start. Dad came home early just as we were getting started baling, I being the oldest took the brunt of his wrath. Having 9,000 bales of hay in swath or windrow was just a bit more than dad could take, and most of it alfalfa. We were in a high rainfall area.

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