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68 NH Baler needles shear pin

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Mike in Iowa

10-14-2003 15:10:53




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I suddenly am having massive breakage with my 68 N.H. Square bailer.

First sytoms was both twine needles were snapped in half at mid point and did in the shear pin. Checked the bails ( still in it ) and couldnt find anything to cause it. Thought maybe it was out of time.... but the break was clean and no impact marks.

So I got those fixed but now the shear pins keep breaking... and the twine needles wont engage.

Any suggestion on what it could be greatly appreciated.

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mike

10-17-2003 12:30:52




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 Re: 68 NH Baler needles shear pin in reply to Mike in Iowa, 10-14-2003 15:10:53  
Sounds like maybe it sheared a keyway on the knotter shaft or either the knotter shaft may have broken. just my 2cents



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Andy Kopel

10-15-2003 10:31:49




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 Re: 68 NH Baler needles shear pin in reply to Mike in Iowa, 10-14-2003 15:10:53  
Mike,

I had similar problems with my 68. After I investigated I noticed that the knotter shaft was bent and wore out to the point that the clutch would actually disengauge itself after the plunger passed the safety mechanism. End result broken needles and sheared bolts.

Turn the flywheel by hand (you may need a cheater bar) a couple times and trip the knotter assembly. Do the knotters run their entire course or do they stop about 3/4 of the way through the operation.

Let us know what you find.

Andy

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Steve from New Holland

10-15-2003 04:32:16




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 Re: 68 NH Baler needles shear pin in reply to Mike in Iowa, 10-14-2003 15:10:53  
Mike, the first thing that happened to you is the knotter shearbolt must have snapped midway through the tying cycle. The safety latch must not have done it's duty for whatever reason. Something is binding or tight, probably in one of the knotters that is causing the knotter shearbolt to continue shearing. The most common cause is the billhook. Check to see if one of the billhooks have "jumped" out of time. In other words, if you look at both billhooks, are they both pointed in the same direction? If so, something else is causing the needles/knotters from rotating freely. Let me know, Steve

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Steve from New Holland

10-15-2003 04:34:27




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 Re: Re: 68 NH Baler needles shear pin in reply to Steve from New Holland, 10-15-2003 04:32:16  
OH, by the way, make sure the safety latch is operating properly. Also, when you reinstalled your needles, did you adjust them properly? If not, maybe one or both of them is hitting the chamber as they go up through. Steve



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Mike in Iowa

10-15-2003 12:29:51




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 Re: Re: Re: 68 NH Baler needles shear pin in reply to Steve from New Holland, 10-15-2003 04:34:27  
The needles are not engaging at all? The bailer is still over in hay feild so havent got back over there to check on all the possibles people are giving me. It's got to be something other then timing since I was going along just fine then bang something took out both needles ( snap both in half ) ouch on the wallet ..... that $1. a bail not just became $5 a bail... of garbage since it rained the next morning. Guess could sell as cattle feed quality and buy some back in horse quality... Life is so amusing some times. :)---

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paul

10-16-2003 06:37:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 68 NH Baler needles shear pin in reply to Mike in Iowa, 10-15-2003 12:29:51  
> It's got to be something other then timing since I was going along just fine then bang something took out both needles ( snap both in half )


But - that _is_ a timing problem! The needles were in the way of the plunger.... If the marks are lining up, then something else is slipped or broken along the needle driving parts.

Since your needles aren't moving at all now, follow the drivetrain from the needle yoke all the way back to the pto - somewhere, something is not connected. This may have come loose at a really bad time, & left your needles sitting in the middle of the bale, as your plunger did it's thing?

The arm driving the needle yoke can take quite a bit of abuse when the needles snap - check that too for extra bends or stretch.

--->Paul

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sheared key?

10-14-2003 17:19:05




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 Re: 68 NH Baler needles shear pin in reply to Mike in Iowa, 10-14-2003 15:10:53  
Check to make sure the key on the knotter shaft isnt sheared.I had this problem on a 269 baler once.



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tlak

10-14-2003 16:00:47




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 Re: 68 NH Baler needles shear pin in reply to Mike in Iowa, 10-14-2003 15:10:53  
You need to use the manual and go step by step of the timing. The only things that gets near the needles are the plunger and the knotters. The brake kicks in if the plungers going to hit the needles and causes the shear bolt to shear.



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