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MK

10-13-2003 10:27:36




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My dad always had sq bales and silage when he farmed. As I was taking over in the mid 80's and geting bigger, I felt a round baler was necessary. After alot of looking and talking I bought a new 3650 5x6 CaseIH soft core in 1989. I like the simplicity of them and the ability to bale tougher hay without heating. They also work very well behind rotary combines. This is one of the few pieces I own that isn't JD and I'm not sorry. I ran my neighbors 7410/566 JD last week for 2 days and I'll admit the baler is nice but I'd still take my soft core. Any comments or thoughts??? MK

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Nebraska Cowman

10-14-2003 04:10:51




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 Re: Rd Balers Poll in reply to MK, 10-13-2003 10:27:36  
I'm still running an 855 NH (chain machine) cuz I don't know any better. It will still start a bale "anytime anywhere" I bale a lot of forage sorghum, corn stalks, straw right out of the combine. That baler will eat anything it is fed.



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Sid

10-13-2003 19:36:21




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 Re: Rd Balers Poll in reply to MK, 10-13-2003 10:27:36  
I bale with A M&W and for my use it is great. I have had none of the problems that a lot of people complain about with a soft core. I stopped to talk to a dealer and a younger fella was in there spouting off well I would buy one of your balers but I like to unroll my hay and you can't unroll them bales worth a d---. An old farmer sitting by the stove said " Son I wished I had met you twenty years ago I have been using a wad baler and have been unrolling them all that time, I sure wished I hadda known that it can't be done."

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Nathan (SD)

10-13-2003 19:20:30




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 Re: Rd Balers Poll in reply to MK, 10-13-2003 10:27:36  
We have 8480 and a 660NH autowrap. 8480 is the most lowcost maintaince machine in the yard but takes a good operator to make equal density bales. The 660NH on the other hand can be ran by even the greenest operator and it will make good uniform bales but I am always spending money on that thing. I keep it around because it is so easy to put anyone in it to help. If it was just me around I would ditch it. I bought the 8480 from a friend because he switched to a 535JD. He trucks some of his hay 60 miles and wanted a baler that would put the most lbs. of hay on a load. He told me this summer that what he has saved on trucking he has probably spent on repairs.

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kyhayman

10-13-2003 18:24:45




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 Re: Rd Balers Poll in reply to MK, 10-13-2003 10:27:36  
I started out on NH chain balers in the early 80's. In '91 my dad got a NH belt baler (hard core). Liked it so much I got one too a few years later. For what I do I couln't own anything but a variable chamber hard core. For hay sales a 4x4 brings the same $$ here as a 4x5 or 4x6. If I am making dry hay to feed I need a 4x5 for stacking inside the barn and a 4x6 for outside stored (less surface area exposed to the elements). Then for round bale silage I like a 4x4 but the tighter they are the less air and the better the silage quality.

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Roy in UK

10-13-2003 12:02:19




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 Re: Rd Balers Poll in reply to MK, 10-13-2003 10:27:36  
Had experiences with both types of round balers. soft core (Claas) and hard core (John Deere). Put both types of bale in a stack and the difference is clear. The JD keep their shape much better. The soft core bales sag all over the place. I used to stack 5' JD hay bales 5 high in a Dutch barn and they never moved.



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paul

10-13-2003 11:46:07




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 Re: Rd Balers Poll in reply to MK, 10-13-2003 10:27:36  
Where I live in MN we have long wet periods. People want REALLY tight round bales so they shed water for outdoor storage. Anything that sags is a mouldy mess. In a thread below, someone said a certain baler makes the bales _too_ tight. There is no such thing around here!!!!!

So, new belt balers are the only way to go. Lots of Gehl soft core's around & the like, but they are cheapies for small hobby people.

Could I ask how the soft-core balers work in cornstalks? Takes a pretty good belt baler to handle those.

--->Paul

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MK

10-13-2003 16:27:22




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 Re: Re: Rd Balers Poll in reply to paul, 10-13-2003 11:46:07  
I will agree that soft cores can be a mushy mess but it depends on the operater too. I made some real crap the first year or two. I have a 920 JD discbine and I rake two swaths together. This ensures the bale fills evenly which is a big factor with softcores. I have a 4020 powering it and run at 1900rpm empty and tie it when it pulls down to 1600/1700rpm. This ensures a hard crust on the outside shell. They do hold their shape if packed properly but not as good as a JD. I have carried hay over into the next fall with very little spoilage. We avg 10-12" of rain per yr + snow. With corn, I don't know as it doesn't grow here in central Alberta. There are some new varieties being grown here lately that require less heat units, but that's strictly for silage. I don't think anyone will ever be able to combine corn here. MK

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MK

10-14-2003 07:44:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Rd Balers Poll in reply to MK, 10-13-2003 16:27:22  
I wish I had some of your rainfall Paul, I wouldn't need as much land base. With 30"+ of rain, your hardcore is probably better. MK



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paul

10-13-2003 18:45:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Rd Balers Poll in reply to MK, 10-13-2003 16:27:22  
Sounds good. :)

We get 32+ inches of rain here per year, plus snow. And some very humid 90% humidity periods.

Lots more mold possiblities around here. :)

--->Paul



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