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ROB

10-02-2003 03:50:28




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I have found an IH 400 air planter, having no knowledge of IH air planters could someone give me an idea of how it operates, seed size, maintenance, problems, etc. I need to replace a very wore out JD 7000 on a tight budget (no rain).




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Indydirtfarmer

10-03-2003 03:52:35




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 Re: IH planter in reply to ROB, 10-02-2003 03:50:28  
Rebuild the 7000. I have one (4X30") It has planted THOUSANDS of acres. every few years, it gets a rebuild. That won't cost any more than another planter, and then you KNOW you have a good one. Buy something else, and you'll probably end up rebuilding it soon anyway. With the "same old planter" for the better part of 25 years, I know it from front to back, top to bottom. I don't feel like starting over with something different. Aftermarket parts are plentiful. I try to stay with Deere OEM parts. They're a bit more expensive, but I think they work more consistantly. Old 7000's still sell pretty good. You can't hardly GIVE an IH 400 away. That should tell you something. JMHO, John

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Chris-se-ILL

10-02-2003 22:21:47




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 Re: IH planter in reply to ROB, 10-02-2003 03:50:28  
I have spent many years planting with the IH 400 (I have one setting out back right now that I do not use any more) and they can be a pain sometimes. I upgraded to a used Cylco 800 (with a Cyclomitor III monitor) and it paid for itself in about 2 years.

Where do you live... I would about give you the IH 400 setting out back (only used it for corn planting), it is a 6 row-30" spacing, dry fertilizer (we cleaned out the fert boxes every time we finished planting), and it has insecticide boxes. I haven't used it since about '96. I do have drums for corn and beans. The depth control of a 400 is not very good on rough or cloddy ground. The seed spacing is terrible (throws a lot of doubles and triples). It leaves the seed rows (furrows) open (doesn't close well). There is no monitor so I would always look at the ground where I lifted out on my last through to see if there was seed and fertilizer strung on the ground... if there was, it was still planting.

I love my Cyclo 800 (upgraded it to Yetter coulters and trash wheels, also Yetter liquid fertilizer units), but we used two 400's for A LOT of years and planted many acres with them! If you can find an IH 800, I would much rather go that route if I were you!

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Cliff Neubauer

10-02-2003 09:40:20




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 Re: IH planter in reply to ROB, 10-02-2003 03:50:28  
I would agree with the other poster that if you are looking at an IH planter to go up to an 800 series or newer, otherwise rebuild your 7000. One advantage your 7000 has is just about any part on it is available through aftermarket suppliers so if you shop around you can get parts pretty cheap, on IH planters only the basic repair parts are available aftermarket so while there is less maintance on them the parts cost a little more. You might be able to find another planter for less than what it would cost to rebuild your 7000 but odds are it will be just as worn as your 7000. I realize that you might not want or be able to spend much on a planter but it really is the most important peice of equipment you own.

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HB

10-02-2003 07:59:23




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 Re: IH planter in reply to ROB, 10-02-2003 03:50:28  
I'd say the 400 looks complicated at first,but it's very simple realy with very few moving parts.
Hook it up and run it and look for an air pressure reading of between 7 to 10 ounces of air-if you can't get at least 7 ounces ,you will need to replace the seal around the seed drum and seed hopper.
You can't beat the one big hopper for seed fill ups.
Parts are still available for 400's and get and read a manual-it will answer most set up and trouble shooting questions.
I love my 400-I can No-Till or conventional till with no change,and you can plant any size corn seed or beans but Medium rounds work best for corn.
If your tractor won't get stuck-you can plant in pretty wet conditions.
As far as population and spacing,make sure proper set up per manual is followed.Tire inflation,planting speed,correct size tires all come in to play.and depth setting has been no problem,if it is then down pressure needs to be adjusted.
On the inside of the drum the seed gets carried to the top of a revolving drum-when it reaches the top the air is "cut off" by a simple rubber wheel that allows the seed(no longer being blown on)to just drop into a "manifold"connected to tubes ,then they are blown down the tubes and into the row.
There is a brush in the seed drum that brushes off exta seed so not more than one seed is dropped into the manifold,sometimes this brush needs adjusted,trimmed,or replaced.
Looks complex but it's simple.
Most seed doubles or skips are from driving too fast or too slow-allowing too much or not enough time for the seed to drop.Then again a combination of air pressure,cut-off brush and rpm's(at least 31/2 mph minimum)all come together. I this helps-if you have any more or specific ? let me know
HBhope

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Greywolf

10-02-2003 06:09:54




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 Re: IH planter in reply to ROB, 10-02-2003 03:50:28  
Depending on what is worn out, IMO would still be better off with rebuilding the 7000.

In this area (southern MN), lots of 7000 still up and running (mine included), with virtually no 400's around anymore.

The air system was good as any sized seed could be run, even mix matched seed. But depth control left a lot to be desired. Hard to beat a 7000.

Complete unit rebuilds can be had for less than 200 a row.

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Rick

10-02-2003 06:08:45




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 Re: IH planter in reply to ROB, 10-02-2003 03:50:28  
I have a very nice IH 900 series 12 row for sale. Give me a ring lets talk. 319-257-6764. Now to answer more of your questions. Go with either the 800 series or 900 series because of drum location. You will find you have alot less upkeep,easier settings and much easier seed change over and cleanout than the 7000 Deere. I had Deere for several years then went to IH. I wouldn't take Deere back now if gave it to me. It is like any other piece of machinery you just have to learn how to set them. But I still would not use the 400 series get the 800 or 900 series. I know wher their is some other units also if that would help 8row-6row etc.

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Wayne M Kittler

10-02-2003 08:33:38




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 Re: Re: IH planter in reply to Rick, 10-02-2003 06:08:45  
Ive seen auctions around Saratoga, NY over the past 10 years where a 400 could not get a bid. And this is IH country. Maybe something is wrong with the IH 400 air planters ?



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HB

10-02-2003 09:15:30




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 Re: Re: Re: IH planter in reply to Wayne M Kittler, 10-02-2003 08:33:38  
People either love them or hate them!
If set up right they are great.400's are now 30 years old. They are too small for most full time operations is my guess,I only plant 15 acres,so my 4 row is fine but nowadays 8 row is the norm,so most have800 or 900 series-same basic operation just a few improvements.
HB



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