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Rob

09-30-2003 11:55:30




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I checked out a homestead museum display on my way back from the city this weekend. I looked at two interesting balers, one NH the other JD, but couldn't find the model numbers. The NH was pto and almost a big as a combine with a hayloader type pickup, a cross auger, a packer device that looks like a pumpjack and a long bale chute with twine knotters and needles mounted on the side. My first thought was "What were they thinking?" but every machine has to start somewhere. It does everything a modern baler does but I was really surprised at its' size. The JD was also pto, wire tie with the flywheel on the back of the baler and the bale chute at right angles to the direction of travel. The pickup also looks like a hayloader system although the machine was quite a bit smaller than the NH. So what are they? I'm sure some oldtimers know them-they're from before my time. Thanks.

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Wisc Boy

10-01-2003 10:06:28




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 Re: Early Balers in reply to Rob, 09-30-2003 11:55:30  
Rob, Where was that museum?



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Rob

10-01-2003 15:48:17




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 Re: Re: Early Balers in reply to Wisc Boy, 10-01-2003 10:06:28  
Unity Heritage Museum, Unity, SK., half way between Saskatoon And Edmonton. I didn't get to see the inside displays as it was closed. The balers along with separators, combines, binders and all kinds of other implements were outside. That area boomed until the dirty thirties when they were wiped out. They're still a largely ag area with mostly large (1000 - 4000+ acres) grain farms. The man that homesteaded some of my land came here after being dried out there.

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RAR/IA

09-30-2003 15:55:21




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 Re: Early Balers in reply to Rob, 09-30-2003 11:55:30  
The JD's were 114W or 116W. Wire tie only. Raked a lot of hay when I was 11 to 15 years of age for these growing up in Kansas. They were known as "Sidewinders". Lots of capacity as the hay did not have to turn any corners to enter the bale chamber. Just up the pickup and then stuffed directly rearward into the cross bale chamber. Plunger head motion was hard on wheel centers/bearings/hubs on the baler. Best thing you could do was put on oversize tires and let the tires take the beating! They could be pto or engine driven.

RAR/IA Retired from the factory where they were built!

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Ron

10-02-2003 08:39:34




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 Re: Re: Early Balers in reply to RAR/IA, 09-30-2003 15:55:21  
Just a note:...

My folks bought their JD "Sidewinder" new in 1952... It had 4 "tensions" on the shute..I know that some had 2--Also, ours had 4 coils of wire...I guess some has 2... They showed JD how to slice the wire, so ya didn't have to Re-Thread it every time..!! We always (mostly) dropped them on the ground--made better time..!!! We never had any problems with the wheel hubs...guess they were set good and tight..!! Wore out a couple of plungers, and needles, though..!! It "Packed up" real well for storage, or road travel..!!! Before that, we had an old Case baler (Hand Tie)
with a V-4 engine on it...Now That was Dirty, baleing Soybeans...!!!

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Leroy

10-03-2003 17:56:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Early Balers in reply to Ron, 10-02-2003 08:39:34  
I have 2 of the 116W balers as colectors items, The older one has a rotating drum style pickup and 2 tension springs on the bale chamber, the newer one has the modern style pickup and the 4 tension springs, all had for rolls of wire, 2 on top and 2 on bottom and tied the wire on both ends of bale as top worked the top side of bale while bottom rolls fed only the bottom side of bales, I have the wagon loading chute for both that were the forerunners of the chute thad Deere brought out as a copy of the one that was first designed and built by Holdren Bros of West Liberty Ohio but never bothered to patten it so J D could just copy it, Holdren Bros. are still in business and they did also make a wagon in the 40-'s-50's and also buck rakes

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SLB

10-01-2003 05:11:15




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 Re: Re: Early Balers in reply to RAR/IA, 09-30-2003 15:55:21  
Seems like only yesterday I remember the 114W and 116W. One of the "big" advances was the addition of a power lube system that did away with the tens of zerks that needed greased during operation.



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jim

09-30-2003 14:19:34




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 Re: Early Balers in reply to Rob, 09-30-2003 11:55:30  
You have to remember that the modern balers evolved from the older stationary balers. Those stationary balers had that nodding plunger (pump-jack) and the bales were tied using wire hand tied with the bale length determined by inserting wooden blanks between the bales. The pick-up came much later.



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Ron

09-30-2003 13:26:52




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 Re: Early Balers in reply to Rob, 09-30-2003 11:55:30  
The old "Side-Windr" baler was probably one of THE Best balers ever..!! The pick-up could be raised up and swung over the PTO, and the "Tensions shute" removed and placed under the top fork, to make it as narrow as a tractor..!! My folks custom baled with the one they bought new in 1952... I actually DID bale Millions of bales...!! When we sold it, I greased it before I backed it on the trailer...Field Ready...!! The plunger cycled 52 times a minute, and Dad figured you should have a bale every 5 to 6 strokes of the plunger..!! and they were Heavy bales..!! Actually, my Mother did Most of the Baleing..!! In 4 different Counties, here in Central Ohio..! We used a Late JD"B", and later used an AC....WD-45 on it.... The side-ways motion didn't wear the transmission, and drawbar, like the in-line ones do..!!

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TP from Central PA

09-30-2003 12:32:50




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 Re: Early Balers in reply to Rob, 09-30-2003 11:55:30  
What? Antiques? I would bet my life that the NH baler you are talking about a #77. My landlord had one that had a V-4 Wisconsin on it and would roar like crazy! We used it up until the middle of the summer of 2002 when they had a sale to get rid of the equipment. It was slow, but it was dependable and you could make alot of hay with it since when it was new IT WAS HIGH CAPACITY!!!!! !!(Grinning ;-P) I knew that baler inside and out. Shoulda bought it, but had other things on my wish list. It is now sitting out in a field rotting away. Such a shame since I had it all coated in oil when it was sold, It was a one owner baler and looked really, really good for its age!

Heck of a thing when you are only 18 in 2003 and cut your teeth baling 1000's of bales with an old NH 77 ;-D

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Dick

09-30-2003 18:41:21




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 Re: Re: Early Balers in reply to TP from Central PA, 09-30-2003 12:32:50  
Yes, it sounds like the New Holland is indeed a model 77. Even though they are vintage, I still use one every year to bale my hay. I usually bale about 1000 bales and it does a good job. I am the second owner of this baler and I've owned it for about 30 years. Still has the origional paint and in very good shape. It's powered by a Wisconsin V4 engine, and like you said has 4 V-belts to power the flywheel. It's old but still serves it's purpose for me every year and I hope for many more years to come..

Dick

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Rob

09-30-2003 15:13:38




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 Re: Re: Early Balers in reply to TP from Central PA, 09-30-2003 12:32:50  
Well, now I know - thanks. You're right about the Wisconsin - I forgot about that. It looked like it originally had flat belt drive but this one had several V-belts running off a grooved engine sheave to the flat driven pulley. I hope I get to see one like it operating some day at a threshing demo.



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off the land

09-30-2003 15:43:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Early Balers in reply to Rob, 09-30-2003 15:13:38  
That New Holland could even be earlier. They had a
left hand pick-up on the (circa 1945), model 75. Did it have spoke 24" wheels? The newer 77,after the 76, had pressed steel rims(one 24",other about
18"). Lots of canvas on the pick-up to rip,wear.
The bale chamber was on edge,they even provided a
bench for someone to observe the knotters were
functioning. These 70 series, all made big 'small'
bales, 16x18,usually had the Wisconsin engine. By
'58, the 78 was out, all modern, no more vertical
plungers,or antique features, PTO. It was similar to the later 282, but far from as durable.

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Rob

09-30-2003 19:17:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Early Balers in reply to off the land, 09-30-2003 15:43:28  
The NH's pickup was on the right facing the baler or on the operator's left looking forward from the tractor seat. I'm not sure about the wheels. Did or could it make extra long bales? The chute seemed to be about 8' - 10' long. I'll take some photos next time I go that way and try to post them here. There was a serial # tag on it. I'll make a note of that too.



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Steve from New Holland

10-01-2003 04:27:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Early Balers in reply to Rob, 09-30-2003 19:17:57  
If it had a PTO, it must have been a Model 76. The 77 was the first NH baler to put the pickup on the "right" side. I don't believe the 75 offered PTO, but I stand corrected. Steve



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Rob

10-01-2003 15:55:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Early Balers in reply to Steve from New Holland, 10-01-2003 04:27:07  
I first thought both were pto's. One post here mentioned the Wisconsin engine and that reminded me there was one on the NH. I seemed to think there was a pto shaft on the hitch but I may have been mistaken-the old memory isn't quite what it used to be!



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