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Which is better? NH, JD,or IHC?

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Joe

07-06-1999 14:32:11




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Guys,
I am looking at 3 older square balers, a IHC, John Deere, and New Holland, I dont know the model number yet, my question is this, which one would be the better, This is JD country, but I dont want to pay for a name, I am looking for a quality bailer for my small farm. Condition wise they all look the same and the price is about the same, @ 500-600 american. And of course the dealer says "they are all good!" he will give me a 90 day guarantee but I am worried about next season also.
Thanks
Joe

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Ron

07-08-1999 15:20:35




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 Re: Which is better? NH, JD,or IHC? in reply to Joe, 07-06-1999 14:32:11  
I would go with either JD or NH but definitely not IH. IH uses a tension method that will cause twine ties to slip off much more easily. The tension on JD and NH is applied at the center of the bale between the edges of the hay (which is also between the twines) so the hay at the edges is free to move along and remain quite square and this keeps the twines from easily sliiping off. The IH that I'm familiar with applies tension on the bale edges and causes the corners to be rounded rather severly and thus the twines tend to slip off much more easily. I've picked thousands of bales off the chutes of NH and a twine rarely slips off from mishandling. I've picked many bales off the ground behind a custom operator using an IH and they required "kid gloves" to not pull the strings off.

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G.F.

07-07-1999 10:45:20




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 Re: Which is better? NH, JD,or IHC? in reply to Joe, 07-06-1999 14:32:11  
I've used all three and they all have their weaknesses. The feeling around here is that JD will handle more hay per hour, but there are plenty of NH fans too. Not too many IH balers around. One thing you might want to consider. The older balers like my NH69 do not make a good enough bale to be picked up with a stack wagon. That is why there are plenty of them around at reasonable prices here. Nobody wants to haul it in by hand any more.

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B.C.

07-06-1999 19:32:39




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 Re: Which is better? NH, JD,or IHC? in reply to Joe, 07-06-1999 14:32:11  
We currently use a NH68 and like it. There is a NH66 over in the weeds we use for parts. It's a wadboard type and I don't hate anybody that I know that is still alive to sell it to them.

I started out with a Deere 14T and would rate it a notch or half behind the NH68. The hay pickup and transfer is not as good on the older Deeres in my experience, although they do work fine on level ground. NH stuff seems somewhat easier to adjust. The knotters don't seem a whole lot different on any of them, although maybe other folks would disagree with that.

I once was acquainted with a couple guys who had IH 47's. The one guy had one that was like new, he kept it indoors when not in use, and he seemed to like it fine. The other guy had bent a needle on his and was told a new set was $500. This was about 15 years ago.

About the same time I got a spare set of needles for the 14T and paid $200 total. The NH needles cost twice that, last I checked.

You don't say what make the dealer sells or how close parts for any of them are. That is important, at least at first. In my experience Deere is the most reasonable for parts prices. IH seems to be the worst. Both Deere and NH are good about getting parts in, if they still support a machine. Dunno about IH.

If they all were in the same shape, and the NH was a 68 or later, that's where I would go, unless and except if you were already talking to a Deere guy, and the nearest NH dealer was a long ways off.

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C.C.

07-06-1999 16:42:19




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 Re: Which is better? NH, JD,or IHC? in reply to Joe, 07-06-1999 14:32:11  
Joe,
In my opinion, it really depends on the model. All three companys make some really good balers. Though I don't know that much about IHC(though I have heard some bad things about them here recently, I still believe they made some good balers). If they are some really older balers like a Deere 14t or 24t and NH 66 or 68, just from what I've heard I say go with the Deere. The older NH balers with wad boards are supposed to eat parts after they have been used a lot. Again, I don't know that much about IHC. If they are a little newer, like a NH 268, 269, 270, 275, etc. or a Deere 336(don't know any other Deere models off the top of my head, but I'm sure they are plenty), I'd say go with the NH. I personally own a newer NH(a 565, about 4 years old), set me back about $6600, but it was worth every penny. At the price you said, I'm guessing they are really older ones, so probably put your money on the Deere's/ Post what models or e-mail me and I'll see if I can't help more. If you need to know more about baler's, feel free to e-mail me. Again this is only MY opinion. Hope this Helps. Casey

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Tim(nj)

07-06-1999 19:56:08




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 Re: Re: Which is better? NH, JD,or IHC? in reply to C.C., 07-06-1999 16:42:19  
Are you sure you want to get involved with any of them? A friend of mine bought a NH 268 with thrower for $1000. Dealer said it worked fine. Now after $600 of parts and $200 labor, it does-most of the time. As balers get older, they get more temperamental. Unless you have some good mechanical skills, a good dealer for that particular brand, and a lot of patience, I wouldn't recommend an old baler. I have a JD 336 from the late seventies that likes to act up every now and then. I'd like to buy a new JD 328, but . . . .

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C.C.

07-07-1999 21:46:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Which is better? NH, JD,or IHC? in reply to Tim(nj), 07-06-1999 19:56:08  
Tim,
I agree %100, but like you said, you'd like a new 328 but..... I did happen to luck on to my 565, which i paid $6600 for(it's had less than 10,000 bales run thru it). But most people aren't that lucky(I even surprised myself on this one) and can't justify spending several thousand dollars just to put up several hundred or a couple of thousand bales a year. With a little luck, especially around here where the BIG farms put up just a few thousand bales a year, one can find an older baler still in decent shape. But like everything else, it has to have been cared for. I actually had looked at several 336's, all around $3200, but they all looked like they had been treated pretty rough so I passed and opted for the 565, which btw, was really and truthfully more than I could justify spending, but it was just such a darn good deal..... .

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B.C.

07-08-1999 09:11:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Which is better? NH, JD,or IHC? in reply to C.C., 07-07-1999 21:46:10  
Right on. I gave $225 for that 14T and cringed when I did. But we put up about 1000 bales of horse hay with it that first summer, as amateurs working part time, and without that much trouble, believe it or not. We did get some help from a former Deere mechanic at first. In the following years it wound up being Baler Education 101.

One of its many previous owners had managed to rip the front of the bale chamber off, and had then welded it back on. Somebody else had broken the knotter frame and had replaced it. It was a long, long way from being a cherry. But it did work, we could get manuals, and parts were never a problem. And we wound up not needing a whole lot, except that I did eventually buy a spare set of needles as a precaution.

If you have the money, go get a Mercedes or Bimmer. If you don't, learn to walk a little.

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