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Adding weight to disc

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Dunno

09-15-2003 11:08:00




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Howdy.
haven't been on YTMAG in a long time, but it's time for a question.
I borrowed a 6' disc from a friend. got a deer feed plot plowed and went to disc it. problem is that the disc is too light and instead of cutting the sod, it tends to ride overtop of it.
I piled some cinder blocks on top but that's nowhere near enough weight.
anybody know of some handy way that I can put weight on this thing?
only other issue is that I keep the disc at the house and have to drive down the road to get to the property I want to disc. So I can't have the weight on the disc at that time ( can't be permanently affixed)

thanks!

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JIMVA

09-17-2003 10:03:18




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 Re: Adding weight to disc in reply to Dunno, 09-15-2003 11:08:00  
u need to angle those blades as far as they can go on a disc the more of an angle will cause the disc to cut deeper, setting them straight will casue the disc to cust light, thats why the disc is cutting, trust angle the front and back and that disc will work like its supposed to,



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Indydirtfarmer

09-16-2003 04:54:32




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 Re: Adding weight to disc in reply to Dunno, 09-15-2003 11:08:00  
If this is a transport disc (wheel disc) You can add some wieght by filling the tires with fluid, just like you would a tractor tire. It doesn't add any wieght to the disc itself, when transporting, but when you raise the wheels to disc, the added wieght will help cut. This won't help much when using the wheels as gauge wheels, but then it doesn't sound like you're getting that deep anyway. The water filled barrels sound like a great idea too. Good luck with your project, John

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ShepFL

09-15-2003 19:59:17




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 Re: Adding weight to disc in reply to Dunno, 09-15-2003 11:08:00  
All the posts below have a lot of great ideas. I tried some of them with varying success due to my inexperience and worn out equipment.

What worked the best for me was a 55 gal. drum. I chained it to the Y on the disk just aft of the 3 pth A frame top. I then put a spigot on the lower section of the drum. I then filled it with water. At 8 lbs / gallon I had approx. 440 lbs. of extra weight. Two drums would be 880 total weight max. The spigot can then be opened to drain the water where needed or just to empty the drums for removal.

This idea was borne of the need to get extra cutting action from worn out equipment and the need for water in remote areas of my fledgling U-Pick operation. Sometimes I wish I still had that setup for some smaller work. I now own a 10 ft. transport disk that works wonders for me.
HTH

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RayP(MI)

09-15-2003 18:33:21




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 Re: Adding weight to disc in reply to Dunno, 09-15-2003 11:08:00  
Lotsa rocks! They're free around here! Seriously, can you adjust the angle of the blades? This will help with penetration. Is the soil dry and hard? Try right after a rain. Sometimes when you're breaking up sod, it'll take several times over it to get very much penetration. We had an old disk tiller, 18" blades, very heavy, cast wheels, only cut 4' to a pass, and you ended up using it like a plow. Man I wish I had that outfit back. No sod would stand up to that old cutter!

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Dunno

09-16-2003 05:16:27




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 Re: Re: Adding weight to disc in reply to RayP(MI), 09-15-2003 18:33:21  
welp, rayp(MI) I guess I could use Dunno(MI) too and the rocks around my place are usually only the ones in my head. too small to help.
I can adjust the angle and the first pass I had it set so the discs were straight, hoping that they would cut deeper.. PFBFBBF! yea right. (6' drag disc) the first section just kinda skipped along over top, maybe cutting 1/4 deep, the back section had a little more weight on it and was going about 1/2" deep.

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paul

09-16-2003 08:53:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Adding weight to disc in reply to Dunno, 09-16-2003 05:16:27  
Basically, you just need to sit tight & wait for some rain. sounds like you have a very small light disk, and are trying to cut up some tough dry _hard_ sod soil. Then you add that you can't add much weight to go down the road - otherwise some good advise on weights here.....

Wait for some rain to loosen up the ground on it's own is about the best option.

--->Paul



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Okie

09-15-2003 19:44:58




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 Re: Re: Adding weight to disc in reply to RayP(MI), 09-15-2003 18:33:21  
We have a 7 ft 3 point disk we use with a 8N to plow rodeo areana that we welded a 3X3X1/4 angle across in the middle of the disk and hang 100lb suitcase weight on it to make it dig. If you have one of the small 3 point disks they are to light to dig even when new. We also added a bracket on the front of the tractor to be able to drive with the disk in the air. The weights are easy to set on and off as needed.

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Bernie in MA

09-15-2003 18:32:20




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 Re: Adding weight to disc in reply to Dunno, 09-15-2003 11:08:00  
I have an 8' rigid double disc I pull with a JD420 crawler. I use railroad ties for weight, either two or four lenghtways, depending on how thick the sod is. The slower you go the more it will dig in. Mine lifts up on tires so I lock it in the up position and move it down the road with the pickup.



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Jerry (AL)

09-15-2003 18:27:25




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 Re: Adding weight to disc in reply to Dunno, 09-15-2003 11:08:00  
I have a couple of cross ties on one. I took a chain saw and cut a groove so it sets down on the side frames, then tacked a nail and a piece of dog chain linked under the support structure and then another nail. I did this on both ends and the thing doesn't move at all and stays right where you want it. I don't know what kind of tractor you have it on but an 8N won't handle but one without getting the front light. My bigger massey would handle two.

On the 10 foot wheel disk, I have a length of railroad rail the width of the disk.

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Hugh Mackay

09-15-2003 17:54:02




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 Re: Adding weight to disc in reply to Dunno, 09-15-2003 11:08:00  
Are you sure the disk is too light or just worn out. Good disks really don't need added weight. From your description sounds like a drag disk, and if the disk blades have their concave gone from wear it wont cut even if you put the tractor on top of it.



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Dunno

09-16-2003 05:13:47




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 Re: Re: Adding weight to disc in reply to Hugh Mackay, 09-15-2003 17:54:02  
Yea, it's a drag :-) the disks don't seem too worn out. The guy who had it before had one of those china blue tractors with a backhoe, he used the back hoe to push down on the disc and it would cut just about anything.
thanks



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paul

09-16-2003 08:42:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Adding weight to disc in reply to Dunno, 09-16-2003 05:13:47  
Oh my!!!!! !!!

Is there anything left of it????

--->Paul



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Plow-Boy-Ploy

09-15-2003 13:10:20




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 Re: Adding weight to disc in reply to Dunno, 09-15-2003 11:08:00  
I would try and locate a disc plow, turning plow, middle buster or something to break the ground/sod first, then run over it with disc.



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