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What is a Kicker on a baler

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HB

09-13-2003 07:10:15




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What is it? I've seen balers that have chutes that extend onto the wagon that the bales get pushed out of the baler and guys can grab them one after another-is that a kicker? And don't all balers have these chutes?

Or is a kicker a thrower? launching bales into a large wagon?
I see this term (kicker) often but don't know what it is!!Should I look for a baler with a kicker or will the regular (folding chute) be ok?
Thanks for yor answer to my ??
HB

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JMS/MN

09-14-2003 08:38:29




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 Re: What is a Kicker on a baler in reply to HB, 09-13-2003 07:10:15  
A 'kicker' is what most people call the bale ejector on a JD baler. Early ones were mechanical, later ones (better unit) are hydraulically driven. An advantage they have over a thrower is that they can be locked out when you want to bale onto the ground. A 'thrower' is a belt or roller system used to throw the bales into the wagon. In either case you need high-sided wagons to catch the bales. You can bale and load without extra helpers.

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max

09-13-2003 17:14:30




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 Re: What is a Kicker on a baler in reply to HB, 09-13-2003 07:10:15  
If you get a kicker, never work on it in the barn or you could end up stuck to the ceiling.
I don't think you need one.



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markct

09-13-2003 18:15:50




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 Re: Re: What is a Kicker on a baler in reply to max, 09-13-2003 17:14:30  
yea thats for sure, when i first had my NH 268 i had broken up some bales and was feeding the hay into the pickup with a pitchfork to try it out. well when the first bale shot out it nearly hit my mothers car, scared the crap outa me to see it going up and and coming down towards the car, luckly it just missed.with that kicker adjusted to high speed and the tractor realy reved up it will realy send a bale flying

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kyhayman

09-13-2003 16:55:23




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 Re: What is a Kicker on a baler in reply to HB, 09-13-2003 07:10:15  
Others have given you good answers to the definition of a 'kicker' but the other part of your question was do you need one. That depends on how much you are baling and what you are set up for. If you have a good lineup of wagons with sides then you want one unless you change systems, if you have only flat wagons then you dont, if you have neither then you need to decide what method you plan to use to get the hay from the baler to the barn. Bale baskets, accumulators, and automatic bale wagons are all options in addition to a person on a wagon, or a kicker and a wagon with sides. Each system has advantages and disadvantages and what works for me may not work for you. Too many folks want you to believe that they have the 'end all' system. Nobody does, if they did it would be the only one sold. For example, my local JD dealer has sold 26 balers this year, 2 had kickers, 16 had an extended chutes for a flat wagon, 3 had quarter turn chutes for NH bale wagons, and 5 had short chutes for accumulators. I would recommend reverse engineering ; decide what you plan to do on the storage end, and work back to the field. Look for bottlenecks, shortages of labor, and plan on this being a dynamic change.

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T.J.-N.J.

09-13-2003 16:53:53




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 Re: What is a Kicker on a baler in reply to HB, 09-13-2003 07:10:15  
It all depends on how much hay you have to put up and how much money you have to spend. A baler with a chute will work fine with a flat rack wagon where you stack the bales, a kicker is meant for the big wagons with high sides, I know someone who rides in small wagons behind a kicker and deflects the bales as they get shot at him then quickly picks them up and stacks them. I know of at least 2 times when he was knocked out by bales and partially buried in the wagon before the operator realized what had happened and stopped and dug him out, yet he still does it! To effectively use a kicker you need big wagons with big capacity , big wagons are expensive as well it all comes down to what you need and can afford. T.J.

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Rick

09-13-2003 15:46:45




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 Re: What is a Kicker on a baler in reply to HB, 09-13-2003 07:10:15  
I have had both. The kicker are alright for less labor in field,but here is my recommendation. Go with baler of your choice and use a bale basket wagon instead. It will do three things for you. First it eliminates the bale thrower,second eliminates person on flat hay rack and it will unload itself if you are setup right. These units allow normal baler to just push bales into wagon. Really work slick, I used 3 of them for over 10 years and really liked them. I now run grapple system currently. Give me call if need more help cause they do work nice if SETUP RIGHT Rick 319-257-6764

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Richg

09-13-2003 13:02:43




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 Re: What is a Kicker on a baler in reply to HB, 09-13-2003 07:10:15  
I have a 336 with a kicker that i just bought about two months ago. I love it. I used a 24T with out a kicker for years which is fine if you have help. In MN I was paying highschool kids 9 to 10 an hour just to stack on the wagons. I prefer the kicker because now it is a one man operation just don't get near the thing when the tractor is running and always lock it down when you do work around it. It took some time to get use to but I wouldn't go back to stacking on the wagon. Bales can get all tangled up if you leave them sit, I unload right after baling if I can or I deliver them to my closest customers so they can unload them and I nver have to touch them. It is all on preference but remember the liability of having someone on the hay wagon, I had one that a wheel broke off with a full load and tippede luckly no one was hurt. Becareful

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Eric Rylander

09-13-2003 17:02:52




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 Re: Re: What is a Kicker on a baler in reply to Richg, 09-13-2003 13:02:43  
Nine to Ten dolars and hour to ride the rack!!!

Man, I have been gone a long time! I used to get $2.00 an hour in 1982 and $3.75 in 1985!

I need to move back to the farm.

Eric



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kyhayman

09-14-2003 18:23:12




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 Re: Re: Re: What is a Kicker on a baler in reply to Eric Rylander, 09-13-2003 17:02:52  
That's what I got then too. Now I am paying $6.50 for a green rookie to flunkey, $8-10 for hand labor in hay or tobacco, and if I want good help it is $14 and up. Figure I am the lowest paid hand most days on the farm :-).



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Roy in UK

09-13-2003 11:44:46




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 Re: What is a Kicker on a baler in reply to HB, 09-13-2003 07:10:15  
A device to convert perfectly formed bales into a horrible tangled mess of hay and twine.
Get a flat 8 instead.



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Jerry A.

09-13-2003 09:41:51




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 Re: What is a Kicker on a baler in reply to HB, 09-13-2003 07:10:15  
A kicker is a bale "thrower" of sorts. It is attatched to back of the bale chute and has a mechanism (like fast moving belts) that grabs the bale and shoots it into a wagon with high sides that is pulled behind the baler. Makes baling more of a one man job (at least making the bales...still a ton of work when the wagon gets to the hay barn).



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Tim(nj)

09-13-2003 11:23:11




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 Re: Re: What is a Kicker on a baler in reply to Jerry A., 09-13-2003 09:41:51  
Actually, a kicker is what John Deere calls an ejector. Uses a hydraulic pan to toss bales. Never liked it all that much.



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