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Stu

09-07-2003 08:07:32




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Ok guys I am new to this. I am trying to set up our property for same hay and have been accumulating interesting older equipment from friends and family hand me downs and bargain finds.

I have a JD 70, and a 2 bottom IH pull type plow (#114? I think). I hooked it up yesterday to try some plowing and it would plow after I made some adjustments to the two long pin release arms. Coulters I just rebuilt and greased, spin nice and adjusted to the heights of every other I have ever seen.

The issue is depth, I dont think that I am getting even close to deep enough. I am getting a furrow depth of about 6". It doesnt seem right to me, especially since I will likley wind up disking that stuff back up being its so close to the surface. I have the adjusting arm both on the maximum highest point.

I asked a neighbor, he said thats the problem with the old pull plows, they wont work right and cant go deep enough, and why guys use 3ph ones now (even though he has 3 bottom IH pull in the weeds). He said I need to hire someone in to plow it properly.

I dont buy it, the technology I am using is not that out of date and millions of good crops came from this equipment in the last 100 years.

Any help on getting more depth? There is one adjustment I cant figure out, its at the rear of the plow and seems to adjust the guiding wheel height?

Thanks,

Stu

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Stu

09-08-2003 07:15:36




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 Re: pull plowing help in reply to Stu, 09-07-2003 08:07:32  
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Here is my plow.

-Can anyone identify the model so I can order a manual?
-When I say "Pin release arms" I mean the two main adjusting arms that you need to release a pin to lift or lower, when I say "guiding wheel height" I mean the rear trailer wheel that runs on a tilt.
-Also, one guy asked how long since the field was worked. Many moons, likeley 5-10 years. Its been llama and cattle pasture.

And finally, thanks a lot for the great responses guys, really appreciated.

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JMS/MN

09-07-2003 22:16:43




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 Re: pull plowing help in reply to Stu, 09-07-2003 08:07:32  
A JD 70 should be able to bury any two bottom plow. In their day, they would easily pull 4 bottoms, no matter the soil. Granted, now we might plow deeper, like 8-10 inches, but in the 50s, they were a powerhouse. Pin release arms, guiding wheel height- what is that? Do you have the OPERATOR manual for this plow?- it should explain every adjustment. On a pull-type plow, the right side lever is to level the plow when opening a furrow, and then is reset to level the plow for subsequent furrows to finish the land. The left lever is to set the depth.

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Stu

09-07-2003 16:33:55




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 Re: pull plowing help in reply to Stu, 09-07-2003 08:07:32  
Well maybe life isnt so bad after all. I thought I wasnt doing enough or something not right. Yes, soils are clay and dry and a rediculous dry summer. Maybe I am getting a bit ahead of myself watching the 4x4 100+hp farmers plow. We will get lots of moisture yet, I will wait for that to help.

So one guy mentioned that the rear wheel is adjustable to help with depth. I will look at that a bit too, but if 6 is good, heck we are there!

Thanks guys, a bit of confidence in something new is usually half the battle for me. I dont want to wreck anything or waste time growing weeds!!!

Maybe I will post a pic of the plow and some one can identify the model for me so I can order an operators manual. I have no idea except for some over the fence talk from a guy.

Stu

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Josh

09-07-2003 15:58:03




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 Re: pull plowing help in reply to Stu, 09-07-2003 08:07:32  
In my opinion an old trailer plow that is properly adjusted will do about as nice of a plowing job as any other plow. I think that 6" is probably deep enough. If the ground is hard, the plow might not go any deeper. New plow shears will improve the plows ability to go deep. You might try adjusting the coulters some, they shouldn't go much more than 4" deep and if they are too deep they will keep the plow from going deeper. I have heard that moving them farther back, (center of coulter behind plow point) will improve penetration in hard ground. Possibly the best bet would be to get an operators manual for the plow. After setting up my old John Deere to the manuals specs, it did about the nicest plowing job I have ever seen. Hope this helps you.

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kyhayman

09-07-2003 14:41:37




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 Re: pull plowing help in reply to Stu, 09-07-2003 08:07:32  
A couple of options either of which will give you a nice seed bed in the spring. 1. Spray with Roundup to kill everything, then the last of Feb plow and then disc. The other is to plow now, making sure you are covering the old sod and let it freeze/thaw until spring, then disc and plant. I did it both ways before I went to notil and found either to be satisfactory.



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okla/kans Bill

09-07-2003 20:13:45




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 Re: Re: pull plowing help in reply to kyhayman, 09-07-2003 14:41:37  

you dont say how long it has been since the ground has been farmed. When I came down here to Okla and started farming. The ground hadnt ben farmed in 25 yrs. I could barily skim the surface in spots. Had alot of hardpan, but now after 25 yrs of plowing it, it plows as pretty as NE Kansas where I came from. It make take time to get the ground broken in. Breaking the ground here is a term ment for plowing, and I see why. I never heard it up north

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paul

09-07-2003 12:25:17




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 Re: pull plowing help in reply to Stu, 09-07-2003 08:07:32  
Plows are 'designed' to go 1/2 as deep as the bottom is wide. So if you have a 12 or 14" bottom, you are about right on, and if you have a 16" bottom, you are still real close. 6" isn't bad at all.

It is very difficult to plow deep in dry soil. As much of the country is dry, do you happen to have dry clay soil? It's impressive you got 6" deep if so!

Both of our pull-plows have a rock on them, about as big as a person could possibly lift. Really helps the down pressure.

Brand new plow lays help very, very much. Even good-but-1/2-wore-down lays will not penetrate well in dry hard soil. They might look good to you, but could be worn enough?

When lays were about shot, dad would heat the tip with the torch & bang down with a hammer. This made them wear faster &/or snap off on a rock, but it really pulled the plow down into the ground for a while again.

--->Paul

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Dan

09-07-2003 10:22:06




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 Re: pull plowing help in reply to Stu, 09-07-2003 08:07:32  
It is hard to get a lot of depth with any plow if the ground is hard and has not been worked in a long time. If there is touch sod or weeds to cover it is worse. I don't agree that the pull type plow won't plow deep enough. I have an old JD pull type on steel that will plow as deep as you can pull it through the ground. The tail wheel will keep it from going too deep so needs to be raised if trying to plow deeper. Normally one handle controls depth and the other is used to get started, when starting the plow is level so you have to drop the one side more, after you get gong and run the plow wheel in the furrow you back off on that lever. On the old plows the shares wer not throw away as they are tody. I remember my dad taking them to a black smith to build them up and harden and they would all to the front to make them suck into the ground better. I recently broke up some hay ground that had been in for 30 or more years. The sod was tough and I didn't have a heavy disc to break it up much. When I plowed it was "as deep as I could" ground was also dry. In the spring I disced and cultivate but still had some sod balls so I planted Oats for hay for a year, tore it up immediately after harvest, and reworked the ground. They sods broke up well after that time. This year I planted Oats as a cover crop for Timothy and Alfalfa but sods are gone. Most guys here will disc repetedly prior to plowing.

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Aaron

09-07-2003 10:00:02




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 Re: pull plowing help in reply to Stu, 09-07-2003 08:07:32  
I think that 6" is deep enough. I do all of my plowing with a 4 bottom trailer plow. I plant hay varities and oats, and it does plenty good for me. As mentioned, if there are weeds or high grass, cut them out first and then plow. Will go much easier.



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Ty

09-07-2003 08:38:19




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 Re: pull plowing help in reply to Stu, 09-07-2003 08:07:32  
I think 6" is a nice depth. Some people even plow shallower. Did you shred the weeds or what ever was growng before plowing that helps a lot. My 2 cents.



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