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Ground Preparation for Sweet Corn

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BlueLite

08-29-2003 04:59:36




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I am ploughing my 2 acres this fall but would like to know the land preparation for seeding for sweet corn. It's a 7 year old hay field so I expect a good yield the first year anyway. I expect the following planting I'll need manure so I'll green manure with alphalfa the following year.

I'll be seeding by hand with the help of a couple of guys.

I have a 2 gang disk arrow and a 2 bottom on wheels (older type). Will I need a spike or spring arrow and what is the sequence ie: disk then spike then spring? Also do I need to roll the seed down and do I need to worry about weed cultivation?

The big guys around here don't seem to worry about weeds and I'm sure they don't use a herbicide like Roundup. I note the shoots come up
pretty fast and there are no weeds in the rows. Maybe the corn smothers out the weeds since it's so high.

Thanks.

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Jerry D in NC

08-29-2003 11:31:33




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 Re: Ground Preparation for Sweet Corn in reply to BlueLite, 08-29-2003 04:59:36  
This is one of those times that bigger is not better. LOL I have an old WheelHorse garden tractor that I use between the rows with a Brinley cultivator behind it. I plant sweet corn in rows wide enough to get the GT through and you can scratch it up at a pretty good pace. Those down here in the south that were doing tobacco for years retired all of the IH Super A's, 100's, 130's and 140's to garden detail and you can run a a row of corn and come close to hoeing it until it is 18 inches high with one of those puppies. A good 140 down here will bring as much as $6000 in the spring. But there isn't anything you can't do in the garden with one of them. That is a couple of ways to do mechanical weed control. Is it the way to do 100 acres, probably not, but it does work an few acres...

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BlueLite

08-29-2003 19:04:59




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 Re: Re: Ground Preparation for Sweet Corn in reply to Jerry D in NC, 08-29-2003 11:31:33  
Thanks folks.

I trying to stay 100% organic or herbacide free, so I figure my best bet is to rig up a cultivator or some type of bar contraption that has a gang of hand hoe type steel plates. Then I can set these to about 2in depth just enough to slice off the weed seedlings. I'll plant my rows so I can get my tractor tire not so close I compact the corn roots.

My concern is for ground compaction cause my tractor is the heavier IH 434 (3700 lbs). So I would cultivate sparingly and only when the weeds are sprouting. All this doesn't take care of between plant weeding which I guess has to be done by hand or left alone.

Just so I'm straight on the sequence, I should
disk harrow first to break up clods, then spike arrow to bring up under turf, right, or is that the other way around?

Thanks.

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paul

08-31-2003 10:31:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Ground Preparation for Sweet Corn in reply to BlueLite, 08-29-2003 19:04:59  
Do some searches for 'rotory hoe' on the web. This is what you need for mechanical weed control in corn. It will kill tiny weed sprouts while not hurting corn sprouts to 4" high. The old JD 2-gang pull types like to plug up with mud or trash, but sell for $25 around here & will save your back a _lot_.

When to disk, when to harrow???? Good question. I do it different depending on conditions. Water & weed issues will change it. Only experience will show you which is best when. I guess here most often harrowing (spike), disking (blade), & harrowing (spike) works best more of the time than not. If the soil is loose & mellow, you don't need the first harrowing. If it's very dry & lumpy, you need to disk 2 times, and/or add weight to the disk. If it's real wet, a disk is a bad implement, makes concrete not a seedbed, you would be better with a field cultivator.

All depends.

--->Paul

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jdman(MO)

08-29-2003 08:58:27




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 Re: Ground Preparation for Sweet Corn in reply to BlueLite, 08-29-2003 04:59:36  
Corn attracts weeds like a magnet. 2 years ago I did nothing but cultivate and had velvet leaf 8 feet high in the corn row. This year, I planted 2 rows, then left enough space to run my garden tractor and sprayer, and hand sprayed the corn rows with 2-4D. Much better, but not perfect. Another method used long ago is to check the corn, so you can cultivate both ways, will really decrease the yield. Bugs and worms are another matter, last year no problem, this year with dry weather bugs or worm in almost every ear. If you use 2-4D your corn will take a hit, and since corn is a grass 2-4D will not kill grass. If you find out the answers, let me know. Russ

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paul

08-29-2003 05:59:43




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 Re: Ground Preparation for Sweet Corn in reply to BlueLite, 08-29-2003 04:59:36  
Yea, sure, the corn beats out the weeds, you'll never have to worry about weeds..... ...

Sorry for the sarcasm, you are in for an education. :) :) :) Your neighbors are laying down the Dual & other weed killers.

Sweet corn, you need to worry about the weeds, worry about the bugs, and worry about the predators (racoons, etc.). You will be deep into sprays & cultivation. If you plant corn more than one year in a row, you really deplete the N in the soil, and increase the bugs that attack corn.

So, to plant what works best with small equip in my part of the world: harrow as early as possible, disk, harrow, plant right after the harrowing, then harrow just as the corn is starting to poke out of the ground.

If you leave a few days between operations, the weed seed sprouts & you kill it - this will mean less weeds during the year. However, if you are selling corn the early bird gets the best market so you want to plant as soon as possible.

Around here a spike harrow is the most popular, but you can use anything from chain link fence or a bedspring with a log on it to a spring tooth to a spike tooth. If you have a spike tooth harrow & you don't want to use chemicals, that last harrowing just as the corn is sprouting is most important to keep the weeds down. Also there are rotory-weeders (rolling disks that have 'spoons' on the tips) that can be used over the crop while it is a few inches high. All these operations are _very_ time sensitive to not hurt the corn, but to kill the very, very tiny weeds. If you can see green weeds, it's too late for these things to work.

You are going to have sod trying to regrow, and corn is a grass so there are few chemicals that will rescue your corn after it is up. You need to get the sod killed before you plant.

Good luck.

--->Paul

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Bobby B

08-29-2003 19:27:53




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 Re: Re: Ground Preparation for Sweet Corn in reply to paul, 08-29-2003 05:59:43  
The raccoons have destroyed my corn the last two years. I have planted about an acre each year and as soon as the ears develop, the raccons knock down the stalks and eat the corn. I just invested in some live traps from TSC!! Hope to get rid of a few.



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paul

08-31-2003 10:20:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Ground Preparation for Sweet Corn in reply to Bobby B, 08-29-2003 19:27:53  
Around here many put up electric fence. Mow around the sweet corn patch, and put up 3 strands close to the ground, to about 2 feet.

This assumes the racoons can find some other food around to their liking. If there is nothing else to eat, they will get in, no matter what.

--->Paul



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Tim(nj)

08-29-2003 09:25:37




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 Re: Re: Ground Preparation for Sweet Corn in reply to paul, 08-29-2003 05:59:43  
My neighbor tried this. He sprayed the field with RoundUp in September to kill whatever was there. He planted oats in the field after he plowed it in the fall. The oats got about 18" high, then were killed off by frost. First thing in spring, he went through with a 2-row middle-buster that he built to match the row spacing of his 2-row corn planter, leaving the dead straw in between the row marks. He planted in the row marks. Seemed to work OK for the very early sweet corn as far as weed suppression (there were some weeds around the corn plants but not too bad), but the later season corn was eventually overrun.

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