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Jeff-MN

08-26-2003 12:13:34




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I'm going to an auction in September that has a few different haybinds on it. Some are New Holland International and John Deere. Is there any things to look for and how would you tell if it is a worker or a fix it? I have 15 acres of hay and cut it with a sickle mower and just got a crimper . I was thinking of getting a haybind to do it all at one time. Thanks for any help Jeff




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Errin OH

08-27-2003 08:03:02




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 Re: Question on Haybinds in reply to Jeff-MN, 08-26-2003 12:13:34  
You won't regret it. Haveing just made the switch myself (sickle/crimp to JD moco)I can tell you there is a big differance. Time is going to be the bigest differance. In my case (mowing only)it was almost cut in half and I didn't have to run the crimper. But to your question.

First you need some idea of "what" should be there. Find yourself someone who has one and go for a visit. Ask questions, help them stack their hay and say thanks for the info when you leave.

Second, General condition. Is everything that should be tight, tight? Are there any obvious rust holes or broken brackets. Gear boxes should be checked for play. On my 1209 I can rock the slip clutch back and forth about 1/2 inch (input to gear box) and according to the manual thats way to much. Guess what I'll be doing this winter.

Third - special areas, Belts, Chains & Gears - wear, look at the teeth on the gears are they worn down to a nub. How do the belts look? New but chewed up? Are the tensioners all the way out? Stretched belts & chains will soon need to be replace and factored in.

Operation - Rotate the PTO shaft, does it turn freely? Is there a lot of play in it. Are other parts moving? Everything should move - Rollers, knifes, rake.

Leaks - Look for signs of gear box leaks. Grease dirt build up around gear boxes is normal. A leaky seal shouldn't be deal killer, but if its real bad (wet oil on top of dirt/dust) it may be worn to the point that rebuild is soon coming.

Rollers - Most rollers are going to have some cracks in them. What you want to avoid is where it is begining to peel. Look at its timing. The rolls (lobes) shouldn't hit each other. Bad timming just tells you that it hasn't been maintained very well, and there may be other problems (stressed gear box).

Knife - This is just as critical as the gear box and rollers, if not more. How do the guards look? If pointin all different directions, don't walk - run away. The guards should be uniform. The pan that holds the guards should not be bent, warped, or welded up. Both of these are good signs that this machine has been abused and thus avoided. The sickle itself is realitively cheap (couple hundred bucks) and a little rust is not a big deal.

Personal opinions - I would look for either a JD Moco, 1207 or 1209, or second choice NH 488 or 489. They are rugged machines that seem to be in abundance here in OH. The basic design has been around forever and parts are generally not a problem. Almost any working mower will be pricey. Expect to spend some money on a good one ($3-5000 dealer, $2-3000 autcion). Much less and I would want to know why. Other brands will be cheaper, just make sure you have a dealer close by for support. You'll need at least a 45 hp tractor (1209), and good hyd to operate it.

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Jeff-MN

08-27-2003 19:02:56




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 Re: Re: Question on Haybinds in reply to Errin OH, 08-27-2003 08:03:02  
Thanks Errin I got a John Deere 1209 from the neighbor before the auction but it needs a wobble box the gears are ok but it needs a case. I went to the dealer and they want $1300 for it. Do you know some one that I might get one from? I also checked with some salvage yards around but no one has any 1209's if you know of any let me know Thanks Jeff



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Jerry D in NC

08-27-2003 19:38:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Question on Haybinds in reply to Jeff-MN, 08-27-2003 19:02:56  
Congrats on getting a good MoCo. Now if the gearbox is the problem then stop everyting and carry it to a good machine shop and let them weld the problem. If the break is in a machined surface like an oil seal seat then it may not work but otherwise let them have a go at it. Otherwise you can look for a 1207, 1217, 1209, and 1219 as models for replacement parts.



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Rob

08-26-2003 12:53:38




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 Re: Question on Haybinds in reply to Jeff-MN, 08-26-2003 12:13:34  
I'd stick with the system you're using now. If you have a mower and a rake along with the crimper you're likely to put up better and cheaper feed. Mowed hay will usually dry as fast or faster than a MoCo swath. If you get rain, you'll probably be better off with it mowed. On 15 acres, I think it would be hard to justify the expense unless saving time is a top priority. MoCo's or Haybines (NH) are a fairly high maintenance unit and can be very expense to repair. A neighbor spent two thousand bucks last year at the NH dealer putting the knife drive (Wobble box) back together. We've been so dry up here lately than conditioning isn't really required. We and others have had to bale the next day, even at nite after using a MoCo before the feed is overdry - a far cry from earlier years when it never seemed to quit raining.

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Warren

08-26-2003 12:37:10




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 Re: Question on Haybinds in reply to Jeff-MN, 08-26-2003 12:13:34  
Jeff,

Can't help much on the haybine to buy, but if you already have the crimper, hang on to it. That way if you buy a haybine that is older and has tired rolls, you can cut the hay with the haybine and lay it down as wide as possible. Go back over it with the crimper to make it dry fast. I have done this behind my 480 John Deere haybine for years. The haybine works so much better than my old sickle mower - it doesn't plug up!

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