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For general use - drill or broadcast seed?

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ShepFL

08-11-2003 13:45:23




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I have a 3pth broadcast spreader but looking at 10 foot drill. Does anyone here use a drill? I was thinking I would get better growth from drill vs. spreader for getting some grass growing. Comments?




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Thanks Y'all - staying w/

08-16-2003 19:33:41




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 Re: For general use - drill or broadcast seed? in reply to ShepFL, 08-11-2003 13:45:23  
my broadcast spreader as I am not double cropping. I found a deal on a drill and was thinking about getting it. I got other things to get done before spending $$ on a drill.

Thanks again for all the wisdom and insight.



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Js

08-12-2003 16:36:39




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 Re: For general use - drill or broadcast seed? in reply to ShepFL, 08-11-2003 13:45:23  
Drill every time, you say it in your subject line. general use. I would look for a drill set up with 6" spacing, presswheels and a small seed box.



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Indydirtfarmer

08-12-2003 04:38:52




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 Re: For general use - drill or broadcast seed? in reply to ShepFL, 08-11-2003 13:45:23  
I own a brillion seeder. It's the way to go. Just one small detail. You need to have a GOOD seedbed. I usually plow ground that is being turned into a hayfield. Then disk (Or better yet, a field cultivator). Like everyone has said, this "seeder" just drops the seed on top of the ground, the "Press wheels" firm the soil, and press the seed into the ground. Sounds simple. It is simple. And it is very consistant. I am about to re-build 3 hayfields of my own. This is how I'll do them. (Timothy in 2, and alfalfa in the other)

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Loren

08-12-2003 20:40:51




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 Re: Re: For general use - drill or broadcast seed? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 08-12-2003 04:38:52  
IDF, would you describe the field cultivator. Is it the roller with toothed wheels on it?



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Shep Va

08-13-2003 11:47:08




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 Re: Re: Re: For general use - drill or broadcast s in reply to Loren, 08-12-2003 20:40:51  
third party image

Here is a picture of a rather large field cultivator, they are basicly a harrow type machine with large winged point on them that are pulled at 7 to 10 MPH and break up the dirt and smooth out the surface. When used correctly they leave a very nice seed bed for planting and normally you only have to run a crumbler or a roller harrow behind them and then plant. They are normally a secondary tillage tool, but can be used as a primary machine on a limited basis. Very nice machines and they are slowly replacing the discs that everyone likes to use now.

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kyhayman

08-11-2003 16:53:57




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 Re: For general use - drill or broadcast seed? in reply to ShepFL, 08-11-2003 13:45:23  
I've done both. Used to broadcast a lot more than drill. Now I only broadcast tilled ground. Drill everything else and prefer to drill everything unless it is a wet soil. So far my best results are with a 7' Tye that I spent some 'quality time' adjusting. Have also had acceptable results with a Haybuster. Seems the Tye did better with alfalfa and the Haybuster with grass. Tillage and a cultipacker seem to be the ideal but that takes a lot of time and fuel. Going to start on 50 acres this fall, maybe more. No way I could ever work up that much ground.

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Jerry D in NC

08-11-2003 16:09:58




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 Re: For general use - drill or broadcast seed? in reply to ShepFL, 08-11-2003 13:45:23  
For planting grass seed I would use the broadcaster everytime and hit it with a drag harrow or cultipacker. Best thing for grass is a Brillion that has the roller in the front and the seeder and then the cultipacker in back. It basically "broadcasts" seeds between rollers and does it in one trip. Grain drills were optimized for grain and other things were second priority. The broadcaster is the fastest way and once you get used to how its pattern is for a type of seed it is hard to beat for speed and consistancy. Find an old cultipacker somewhere in the weeds for not much money and you will be able to roll it fast and cheap. You can do a 20 - 30 foot pattern verses a 8 ft -12 ft drill

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paul

08-11-2003 15:17:48




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 Re: For general use - drill or broadcast seed? in reply to ShepFL, 08-11-2003 13:45:23  
The drill will do a much better job of planting oats, wheat, rye, maybe soybeans. Tiny round seeds like clover & alfalfa need to go through a seperate seeder on the drill, which ends up just broadcasting on the ground, as these seeds should only be 1/4 to 1/2 inch deep on firm soil.

Actual grass seed often doesn't fit through those simple 'grass seeder' attachments on the drill, but some of the higher priced or newer (really higher priced) seeders have a pretty good grass seeder attachment. Since grass seed typically looks like a small ash or maple seed, it doesn't meter so well through the old fashioned 'grass seeder' - works, but a lot of fiddling.

For me, I want a drill with a grass seeder attachment, old style. I seed oats with my alfalfa & clover crops, harvest the oats for grain, bale the straw, & get the legume crop. Hilly ground, so I want the cover crop to protect the alfalfa.

If you typically just seed grass seed, or have very very light oats for just a light cover, your broadcast seeder will do just as good making a hay crop. If you are into double cropping like me (want an oats or wheat crop too), you will benifit from the drill. If you want to plant a lot of true grass, or get into planting lawns & the like, you would be better off with a new Great Plains or other setup that has several hoppers for all kinds of seed shapes.

--->Paul

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Dale Frenz

08-12-2003 17:27:04




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 Re: Re: For general use - drill or broadcast seed? in reply to paul, 08-11-2003 15:17:48  
When you're sewing oats and alfalfa together, how many lbs to the acre of each are you putting on? What do you consider a "light" crop of oats or wheat to keep from affecting the alfalfa?



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paul

08-12-2003 20:31:40




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 Re: Re: Re: For general use - drill or broadcast s in reply to Dale Frenz, 08-12-2003 17:27:04  
I normally sew 3 bu of oats if I plant just oats.

I go about 2 bu of oats per acre with alfalfa and harvest it for oats, usually a pretty good yield. Dad would only go 10-12 lbs of alfalfa per acre, I try for almost 18. Alfalfa is a minor crop for me, I tend to use cheap seed & plow it up in 3 years. I like it for rotation & soil building in my corn/bean rotation, and don't want a long-term field in one location. People seriously into a strong, long-term alfalfa crop get near 30 lbs to the acre in some locations.

Some folks put down just 1 bu of oats with the alfalfa, and either harvest it early as haylage or burn it off with an alfalfa chemical.

Straight seeding without any cover crop, or fall seeding after a pea crop in late August is somewhat popular here in southern Minnesota, but I have hills & don't like no cover crop....

--->Paul

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rob

08-11-2003 14:12:07




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 Re: For general use - drill or broadcast seed? in reply to ShepFL, 08-11-2003 13:45:23  
Drills-End Wheel, Hoe, Press can be fitted with grass seed attachments. Their seed box openers would likely place the seed too deep for most applications. The seed attachment places the seed thru tubes onto or near the surface of the soil. It's really another way of broadcasting except the seed is placed in rows. If the drill you're looking at hasn't got the attachment, I'd stick with the Broadcaster.

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Rob

08-11-2003 14:41:48




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 Re: Re: For general use - drill or broadcast seed? in reply to rob, 08-11-2003 14:12:07  
Can you tell I'm bored? It's been raining off and on here since the middle of last week and it's too wet to hay or combine. Anyway, there's another way to seed grass with a drill if it has a fertilizer attachment. You can mix the seed with fertilizer and/or some sort of filler (sawdust works well). You normally have to add filler since it will overseed with grass seed alone if it isn't blended down. This is a trial and error thing but after you've done it a few times you can get pretty good at guestimating your seeding rate. Remove the tubes from the cups under the grain feeds and let the seed/
fertilizer/filler fall on the ground instead of it going down the grain tube to the opener. Hope this helps.

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