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JD 214T knotter help needed!

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Brent in Iowa

08-09-2003 17:10:17




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I have a 214T baler and while baling for the neighbor I got a piece of elm bark (huge piece!) in the bale chamber, bent both needles, and messed the timing up bad. Well, I had spare needles on my 14T parts machine so replaced them and re-timed the machine, but now the twine disk on one side starts turning just a hair too soon and doesn't get to grab the twine from the needle before the disk turns too far. My manual says "remove the knotter/twine disk pinion and the knotter worm, and relocate the washers from the top position to the bottom position on the worm shaft." I understand how this will help, but I can't figure out how you get those gears off of the little shaft to get it out to move the washers around. Help please, I have hay on the ground and it is to rain Sunday! Thanks!

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Warren

08-11-2003 14:11:37




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 Re: JD 214T knotter help needed! in reply to Brent in Iowa, 08-09-2003 17:10:17  
Brent,

I hope you got your hay up. This will probably come too late to help, but if I read your description right, it is the same problem I had with my 14T. I found that you have to take the gear off the top of the shaft. To take the gear off, there is a small pin that you drive out of the side of the gear, the pin is hidden down between the cogs of the gear. I had to clean the gear off with a good blast of starting fluid in order to find it.
Hope this helps.

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Brent in Iowa

08-11-2003 18:54:11




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 Re: Re: JD 214T knotter help needed! in reply to Warren, 08-11-2003 14:11:37  
Thanks for the advice, the baler repairman showed it to me tonight too! We have a retired JD shop man nearby and he knows far more than any kid at the JD dealer today. He was able to speed the needles up a hair by turning the turnbuckle on the shaft that pulls the needles up and it was enought to get the disk to catch the twine. He showed me the "pin" you mentined in case I need to adjust it further but so far it is o.k. I re-raked the hay tonight and should be able to bale tommorrow. Only 2 1/2 rounds left so not much lost. Thanks again!

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Rob

08-09-2003 21:05:39




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 Re: JD 214T knotter help needed! in reply to Brent in Iowa, 08-09-2003 17:10:17  
Interesting situation! I've never made that adjustment but I'm thinking if it worked before it should still work. It may be due to the replaced needle setting (travel). It may not be placing the twine correctly for the twine holder to take hold. If you haven't checked it, it can be adjusted at he bottom of the needle lift link (described in operator's manual). I went out and checked my 14T parts machine that has one disk pinion, worm gear and shaft removed (parts gone, likely used by a previous owner). I don't see any sign of a pin, grub screw, etc. in the casting that holds it so I'm guessing it's either an interference fit (not likely) or there are pins thru the gears. The disk gear (8 tooth) has a roll pin thru it but I don't see the same thing on the other two on the other knotter (daylight might help me!) I'd re-check the needle set up first. Good luck.

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kyhayman

08-09-2003 20:22:33




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 Re: JD 214T knotter help needed! in reply to Brent in Iowa, 08-09-2003 17:10:17  
I'm going to take a stab at it :-). Based on what happened, and assuming that the baler was tyine ok before the bark I would guess that it is not in the twine disc, unless the needle hit it. If it did, you may have big problems. My guess would be one of 2 things:

1. Needle needs to be adjusted a little tighter on aft bolt, looser on front. That will delay the twine (maybe 1/2 turn)

2. Needle frame is bent. I've never broken a needle on a Deere baler and not bent the needle frame. May only be bent a few thousandths of an inch, got 2 here that would pass for new, but the needles can not be aligned. They were bent just enough.

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