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Why not chop straw???????

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Michael Soldan

08-08-2003 19:33:24




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I had a post on here a few nights ago about buying straw chopped and dropped out of the combine and a few of you wondered why I would chop it. Well I have done wheat straw both ways and chopped straw makes twice the bedding that unchopped does. Chopped straw has a better capacity to soak up moisture and I find it much easier to spread around the pens as its shorter lengths allow it to break apart from the plunger thrust. As for baling it our old Massey Fergusson#10 picks it up and puts it through as easy as pie. We ran 228 bales after work tonight and it baled up fine. Last summer I had my own oat straw that I had chopped and dropped and it made great bedding as well. I still have some wheat straw in the barn that was not chopped and I find it very coarse for bedding. Some of you may have other uses for straw other than bedding and perhaps you have reasons for not chopping it. This is just what works best for me, tomorrow we will run through about 500 more. I would like to hear some of the suggestions for not chopping...your opinions are just as good as mine and what works for you is the right way....Mike in Exeter Ontario

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paul

08-09-2003 22:31:41




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 Re: Why not chop straw??????? in reply to Michael Soldan, 08-08-2003 19:33:24  
Mike, I agree with you completely, as I said in the other thread. Most straw around here is for dairy bedding. Neighbors prefer it chopped, & will pay more for a chopped bale.

Only folks that want long stem straw are people with older round balers. They can't handle the short stuff.

--->Paul



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Don-Wi

08-09-2003 20:26:10




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 Re: Why not chop straw??????? in reply to Michael Soldan, 08-08-2003 19:33:24  
Around here, if a farmer wants his straw chopped, which most do, they chop it and blow it up loose in their barn. Big production farms bale it in large squares and run it through a bale chopper as they use it. We have a massey 12 baler, and for the most part it just kicks around chopped or really short hay and straw. Ive never actually tried to run a full windrow of chopped, never had any reason to. I chop what I want, and bale what I have left and sell it.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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Rick

08-09-2003 06:03:45




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 Re: Why not chop straw??????? in reply to Michael Soldan, 08-08-2003 19:33:24  
It totally depends on what you are doing. My market is al sales and I don't want mine chopped simply because of lost numbers. You chop it you get about half as many bales. Example last season 60 acres rye run thru rotor combine yield 2452 bales same field combined with 6620 Deere yielded 5010 bales.Or you should be getting 100 to 110 bales per acre. Baling no problem either way just depends on what you are doing with stuff. I go thru 10,000 year or more just on straw side does not include small hay side. Most important item is eye appeal period.

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Roy in UK

08-08-2003 23:38:35




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 Re: Why not chop straw??????? in reply to Michael Soldan, 08-08-2003 19:33:24  
You are very lucky that your baler will pick up let alone bale chopped straw! Most 'conventional' balers would hate chopped material.
Yes chopped straw is better for bedding I am told. Big round and big square balers are available over here with an optional chopper attachment which chops the material as it goes into the bale chamber i.e. the material is picked up 'long' to reduce the amount of litter,and then it is chopped. A lot of big-bale silage is baled that way too. You get a lot more stuff in the bale!

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Roy in UK

08-08-2003 23:45:54




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 Re: Re: Why not chop straw??????? in reply to Roy in UK, 08-08-2003 23:38:35  
This might be of interest to you :-

Link

Click on 'Roto cut' and 'Fine cut'



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Adam B.

08-09-2003 01:54:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Why not chop straw??????? in reply to Roy in UK, 08-08-2003 23:45:54  
We started trying Claas hay equipment in the '90s and I don't have much good to say about their products.

My brother bought one of their round balers when they introduced the Roto-Cut. It did a pretty good job of baling. One of the main channels for the hitch tore and he had to very carefully drag it home. An angry call to Claas revealed they had 'updated' the hitch and we received a much heavier replacement.

Then dad got a Volto 740 6-basket tedder. First, the little round-tube 'guards' that are mounted above the outer baskets broke off from flexing as the outer baskets hopped in the field. Next, the bracket for the angle adjustment broke. Apparently, a single, small strip of steel wasn't enough to hold a 20+ ft. tedder at a set angle. After we fixed that, the rest of the hitch crumpled. We fixed and reinforced that, and it was ok.

We replaced that tedder last year with a Volto 1050T. This is a much better machine. It had one season on it when we got it. When we got it out of storage this spring, the four hydraulic hoses that connect between the main frame and the wings were all leaking. The hoses had gone bad, and had to be replaced (2 years old). Our dealer only had fittings to make up one hose, at a cost of just about $180. ($75 for each fitting, the rest for hose and tax) Then the word from the main Claas distribution center was 6-8 weeks to get the fittings for the other 3 hoses. It took TWO MONTHS to get the hydraulic hoses for this thing. Meanwhile, there's a single front tire that rides along the ground. The square tubing that supports that wheel bent once and we fixed it, but now its bent again, much worse. We need to completely cut the entire braket and tube off the frame and build a new one that isn't going to break so easily. Truthfully, this is the only Claas machine we've had that I actually like. Aside from those problems we've had, its a great tedder.

New for this year, a Liner 1550 Twin rake. Its replacing a pair of John Deere 700 Twin rakes. Given the past history of Claas equipment on our farm, I've been trying to pamper this thing like its a glass chandelier. Despite that, I've had problems. There's a long linkage on this rake that runs from the hitch to the rake's main wheels, to turn them. We've had a lot of rain this year, and apparently a tile line couldn't take it and blew out, making a hole. I never noticed the hole (under the windrow), but one of the rake's wheels found it. The long steering link bent in three places, and it twisted the steering post for the wheel that bounced in the hole. I'll take the blame for this one, but it really seems an excessive amount of damage for something that isn't much different from encountering a groundhog hole. Each rotor has a spring-assist to help raise the arms and to cushion them when they're lowered. The one on the rear rotor has broken loose twice. Apparently, the bolt that attaches it to the arm isn't big enough to do the job. This is a pretty minor thing, but enough to add to my frustration with Claas products. There's a pair of forks that prevent the front rotor arm from raising all the way up when you're in the field. These things have been malfunctioning from the start, and allowing the front arm to raise all the way up. I've tried small tweaks to get it to work, with limited success. On examination, it looks to me that one of the brackets wasn't welded on straight at the factory. The best way I've determined to fix the problem is to fabricate an add-on part that will keep the forks straight so they don't malfunction. Not really something you should expect to have to do to a machine that has less than two seasons of use on it. All I can say about the 1550 is that its huge (in transport position: 12.9 ft. tall, 9.8 ft. wide, 21.8 ft. long) and does a pretty clean job of raking. It doesn't make better time in the field than some other rakes we've used (like the John Deere 700), and its horrible unless you're raking in a straight line. (Does not do well raking on curves or in the corners when doing the outside rounds of a field.)

It may just sound like we're exceptionally hard on equipment. Not really true at all. We've used New Holland and John Deere equipment on these same fields for years and never had the sort of breakdowns I've seen with the Class products. To their credit, Claas seems to design equipment for high-volume and they have great gearboxes and drivelines. Even the main frames on Claas machines are built heavy. Its just that everything else seems to be 'cheap'.

Anyway, that's my Claas rant. New Holland and John Deere seem to cost more up-front, but I think the payoff is machines that'll keep going out to the field day after day and not have to be in the repair shop every other evening.

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Roy in UK

08-09-2003 05:03:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Why not chop straw??????? in reply to Adam B., 08-09-2003 01:54:42  
Well..... ask the average British farmer what he thinks to Claas ( and in all fairness New Holland ) combines, and the reaction will be pretty favorable all round. Ask the average British farmer how he rates John Deere combines and, well if I was to quote him, Kim would throw me out of the forum for foul language! JD tractors and balers are well liked over here, but their combines are utter 'tinfoil'

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Roy in UK

08-09-2003 05:01:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Why not chop straw??????? in reply to Adam B., 08-09-2003 01:54:42  
Well..... ask the average British farmer what he thinks to Claas ( and in all fairness New Holland ) combines, and the reaction will be pretty favorable all round. Ask the average British farmer how he rates John Deere combines and, well if I was to quote him, Kim would throw me out of the forum for foul language!
P.S. JD tractors and balers are well liked over here, but their combines are 'tinfoil'

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kyhayman

08-08-2003 20:42:17




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 Re: Why not chop straw??????? in reply to Michael Soldan, 08-08-2003 19:33:24  
Mike,

I run long rye straw for a couple of reasons. First and foremost my customers (horse market) wants it bright and long. My day job is to educate people in agriculture but when I farm my job is to sell the customer what he wants. Their main concern is no dust, period. It's good for me because they buy more and there is less per bale with it long.



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Kydirtfarmer

08-09-2003 04:47:11




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 Re: Re: Why not chop straw??????? in reply to kyhayman, 08-08-2003 20:42:17  
Long, bright, and clean. I sell most of mine also. (Landscapers) I use a Deere 336 baler, and have no "out of the ordinary" problems. We bale about 250 bales for my bro-in-law. He wants it chopped, so he hits it with a bush hog, and we rake and bale it for him. Works OK. He's happy.



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Tim(nj)

08-09-2003 08:44:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Why not chop straw??????? in reply to Kydirtfarmer, 08-09-2003 04:47:11  
Around here, many buy it long and then run it through a bedding chopper in the barn. I can sell it baled either way, depends on the customer.



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Dick Davis

08-16-2003 03:50:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Why not chop straw??????? in reply to Tim(nj), 08-09-2003 08:44:08  
Chopped gives you another option.

This is a rather late addition to the thread but I've been busy trying to bale straw. Custom farmer cut my and my neighbors wheat 15' head. Neighbor's straw was chopped as he was planting follow up soybeans and didn't want to mess with baling. Mine was dumped into windrows to avoid raking. Great wheat - tons of straw. Antique baler/untimely rain/week long family reunion out of state. Now I have huge windrows of rotting straw that I can't farm over. Hope a bush hog can chop it up so I can begin tillage. Next time I'll have it chopped. Will a New Holland Model 80 baler and NH 56 rake pick up chopped straw? Dick Davis

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