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RIdr

07-24-2003 09:45:51




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Hey all , I am getting ready to plant two more fields , one 7 acres one 8 , both on well drained soil ,probably timothy and clover .I'm always looking for new ideas so my question is what do you'all use for seeding and do you pack afterwards , lightly disc or harrow ?? ...I know this isn't directly an implement type question but it seems the majority of people here play in the hay




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tom randall

07-27-2003 05:28:53




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 Re: Hay field questions in reply to RIdr, 07-24-2003 09:45:51  
I would start by spraying roundup on the fields then plow them under a week or so later. Then disk ,fertilize as needed-get a soil test done.I then use my cultipacker to smooth things out.I seed with a brillion seeder,(sometimes cooperative extensions or equiptment dealers rent them out) these seeders will save you money on seed ,but best you will know that the field is seeded acurately,as opposed to broadcast seeding. Try to do everything as quickly as possible once you plow , moisture is precious in late summer seedings. Good luck ps; are you sure you want to plant clover? miserable stuff to dry . I actually spray to kill it almost anually in a couple of my pure timothy fields,wish i could give it to you. You said it was well drained, what about another grass with the timothy or alfalfa ? Sorry im rambling..... ..Tom

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david

07-25-2003 09:51:37




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 Re: Hay field questions in reply to RIdr, 07-24-2003 09:45:51  
I use one of 2 methods. No til (10' Haybuster drill that I rent from NRCS) is my favorite. I like to spray, drill rye or triticale, cut for baleage in the spring, spray again if needed, drill soybeans, cut for baleage, and then drill timothy in the fall. I used to put clover in the timothy sometimes but it makes weed control impossible, hay is harder to cure, and most of my horse customers freak out with the clover in it.

Had a little 4 acre bottom, cows grazed in it last winter and it was pretty rough. I disced it 3x (2 to full cut, 1 light cut). I'm going to drill it to rye, then beans for baleage next year. Then I'll disc a couple of times and put back to timothy. Situations like this, I set the disc to minimum cut, got slow, and carry a little of the weight on the wheels, does fine.

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red-n-green

07-24-2003 20:39:13




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 Re: Hay field questions in reply to RIdr, 07-24-2003 09:45:51  
I raise bermuda hay. Don't know what equipment you have but I will tell you what I use.

If the ground has been idle for several years or it has been row cropped lately I will break with a 4x14 breaking plow. This gets the old residue underneath to help it break down.

If it is just grass, and the ground is not hard as a rock, I will do a complete burnoff with gramoxone.

I then disk a couple times to get the seedbed worked up pretty good. I use a 21' IH 496 or a 16' IH 480 with 7 inch spacing to get a good level bed.

After the discing is done, I go over it once and sometimes twice with a du-all. I think it is a 26 footer. This breaks up any clods that are left and gets a good seedbed.

I then roll with a cultimulcher like the one in the other post pic. This gets you a good so;id bed.

I will then use a 3-point spreader to spread seed at a rate of about 12 to 15 lbs per acre. Depending on the soil type I may run the packer over it after seeding but not always. Bermuda doesn't really need to be more than 1/8" under the surface.

One key is to get all this done wnd get your seed sown before the soil gets too dry. You want a moist seedbed to help with germination.

Jay

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Eric Rylander

07-24-2003 18:09:45




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 Re: Hay field questions in reply to RIdr, 07-24-2003 09:45:51  
Where I grew up in central Minnesota in the '80's, the only hay I ever saw planted was alfalfa and clover, and it was always done with oats as a "nurse crop"

The seeding was done with a grain drill, with oats and alfalfa in the hopper, the oats was the field crop the year of planting and the alfalfa came the next season, after four or five years the alfalfa would thin out and be gradually taken over by brome grass. Then they would generally plow it under and go with some row crop in that field.

I guess being dairy country the alfalfa was the most prevelant crop, nobody that I knew ever planted anything else. Brome grass grew native as far as I know. In the dry years a few people would take "meadow hay" which was usually in wetlands noramlly unfarmable. It was probably canary or reedgrass.

Eric

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John in Ind

07-24-2003 20:08:45




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 Re: Re: Hay field questions in reply to Eric Rylander , 07-24-2003 18:09:45  
Can you direct seed in the late summer? I did broadcasted some in winter wheat in early spring and just got the wheat off last weekend and it is around 10" tall. Can I get a late cutting off it or wait till next year? I would like to seed another field this summer If I could direct seed alfalfa.



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thurlow

07-24-2003 13:54:13




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 Re: Hay field questions in reply to RIdr, 07-24-2003 09:45:51  
Have used several methods (after preparing seedbed); cultipacker behind seeder, harrow or do-all behind seeder, etc. What works as good for me (and is faster) is a three-point hitch seeder (cyclone/Herd King type) with a 12 ft stalk-cutter type do-all behind the same tractor (one trip). The seed are thrown into the front of the do-all. By adjusting the do-all, you can get the seed as deep or as shallow as you wish and leave a perfect seedbed..... .

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Wayne M Kittler

07-24-2003 13:50:25




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 Re: Hay field questions in reply to RIdr, 07-24-2003 09:45:51  
Level it out with a disk, put some rye down at 1-1-/2 bushels an acre, drag over it with a springtooth and then broadcast your seed. If you can roll or cultipack it right away it should work good, Nature co-operating. If you will be doing alot of seeding, consider using a drill.



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kydirtfarmer

07-24-2003 11:32:44




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 Re: Hay field questions in reply to RIdr, 07-24-2003 09:45:51  
I have been rebuilding the hayfields on our farm. They have been neglected for a few years. We have a market for several thousand bales, so we are improving our fields, a few at a time. What we are doing, is a total kill spray of round-up. Then we'll disk several times, with a spike tooth harrow behind the disk. I then use a rented Woods seeder. It is intended for landscapers to plant grass seed. I planted several fields last fall, with alfalfa and timothy. They are picture perfect. The Woods seeder has culti-packer style wheels that follow the seed drop. It leaves the field "Finished". We are getting ready to re-plant 35 acres this fall. I wouldn't do it any other way, after the success we had this year. The unit we rent is 6'-6". I don't know what other width's it comes in.

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Brent in Iowa

07-24-2003 10:31:29




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 Re: Hay field questions in reply to RIdr, 07-24-2003 09:45:51  
Don't run a disk over it after planting, it will put a high % of your seed too deep. Most forages should only be 1/4 to 1/2 inch deep. Seed/soil contact is critical at these shallow depths. When a roller/cultipacker isn't available I have dragged a harrow or even a heavy tube gate behind the drill to level and pack the ground. A cultipcker works best if you have access.



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Cliff Neubauer

07-24-2003 10:03:47




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 Re: Hay field questions in reply to RIdr, 07-24-2003 09:45:51  
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Most smaller seeded hay crops like a firm seedbed, alfalfa for instance likes a seed bed firm enough you can dribble a basketball on. A disk will work for seed bed preperations but they can cause ridging which you don't want, a field cultivator would be a better choice if you have one, if not several passes with a harrow after a disk would work too. You can never get a hayfield too smooth and there is nothing worse than a rough one so send some time to get it right before you seed it. We like to run a cultimulcher like the one pictured both before and after we put the seeding in to get the ground really smooth and to insure good seed/soil contact.

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paul

07-24-2003 10:02:09




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 Re: Hay field questions in reply to RIdr, 07-24-2003 09:45:51  
Packing is usually best, harrowing works, a disking could put the seeds too deep?

--->Paul



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