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New Idea Cut/ditioner 272

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Jim H.

07-16-2003 09:14:53




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Well, I've been using this Cut/ditioner thing this season, and I've been trying to get it to leave less stubble. It leaves a lot of stubble! That's lost production, of course. But oh, how it dries the hay...I've never had hay dry this fast! And although I have to go slow (it takes about all the power from my Farmall 460), it's still a heckuva of a lot less frustrating than my old sickle bar mower (doesn't get plugged). So I love it for the hay quality and the ease of use, but I need to do whatever I can to minimize this stubble. Any ideas? Last night we took that front guard right off, to see if that would stop it from pushing the hay over too much before it cut it. It sort of helped. Then I was playing with the hitch angle, and also the deck height. I see it has skid plates, like it's supposed to be right down on the ground, but sometimes it seems to work better an inch or so up. Sometimes. And yes, I sharpened all the blades about 3 weeks ago. It seems to work very well in thinner stuff, but leaves a lot of stubble in thick stuff or tall stuff like timothy
(on the other hand, thick, tangled stuff would have plugged my sickle bar right up.)
Any suggestions as to the best way to use this machine???

Thanks,
-Jim H.

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JB

07-19-2003 19:46:49




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 Re: New Idea Cut/ditioner 272 in reply to Jim H., 07-16-2003 09:14:53  
My Dad had one for several years. It did a great job but always left longer stuble than mower. He ran it with IH 454D that was cranking out about 55 HP. Could only go in 1st or 2nd gear. Even when we used the IH 684D you could not go any faster. He replaced the flails twice will he owned it. The flails would ware down and become to short and would leave long stuble. When he purchased a round baler, he could not cut enough hay in a day to round bale all the next day.
He traded for a NH haybine that required about 1/3 the HP and could go twice as fast. The haybine would cut as close as a mower. the only advantage the 272 was in downed hay.

Bottom line compare your flails with a new one at the dealers and if they are to worn that could cause the long stuble. I remember the last time Dad bought flails they were about $14 each.

Good luck
JB

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Jim H.

07-18-2003 05:45:14




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 Re: New Idea Cut/ditioner 272 in reply to Jim H., 07-16-2003 09:14:53  
Thanks for the responses, guys.
Through our (me and the hired hand) own trial-and-error, we've found the combination that I think works the best: Taking off the front plate, then angling the hitch so that I'm running the cut/ditioner at a down angle into the hay. I was able to get a much, much better cut yesterday! I have to be careful with the angle though - too much angle and I'm digging dirt! How's that for cuttin' it low? But really, farming is all a matter of trial-and-error, isn't it? When I run, I only cut with 6' of the 7' width - I just don't go down into the next row quite so deep, if you get my meaning. That saves some power. And I go really slow - usually in 1st gear, never more than 2nd.
I'm still looking for a reasonably-priced 7' mowditioner though, as I think I'm putting too much stress on the tractor with the New Idea. And I'm running through A LOT of gas, and it's taking a lot of time to cut a field...
...but I'm making the best hay I've ever had. Absolutely beautiful stuff. Maybe I'll enter some in the local county fair!

Thanks again,
- Jim H.

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Tim(nj)

07-16-2003 13:33:28




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 Re: New Idea Cut/ditioner 272 in reply to Jim H., 07-16-2003 09:14:53  
I remember the manual saying the shorter the stuff you're cutting, the lower that front plate needs to be. I can't remember if there is a cutting height adjustment or not. I seem to recall the 290 having a way to adjust cutting height, but it is put together a little different than the 272.



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Unimog

07-16-2003 10:30:20




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 Re: New Idea Cut/ditioner 272 in reply to Jim H., 07-16-2003 09:14:53  
I put many hours in on a 272 for a friend that had one and there is no real way we ever found
to cut clean. Best I can tell you is keep a good
edge on the flails and keep the ground speed
down if you're lacking power. Hay does dry quick
but part of that is the fact that hay is left
behind from not cutting clean. It really picks up
downed hay, but the 45 hp tractor we were using
was working hard.

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paul

07-16-2003 09:21:07




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 Re: New Idea Cut/ditioner 272 in reply to Jim H., 07-16-2003 09:14:53  
I've never used one, but sounds like you are on the right track. Life is always a trade off, you are trading quality for volume - a good deal for you when it comes to hay? :) Those stems aren't really worth much feed value, are they? The money is all in the leaves & fine stuff.

--->Paul



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tim[in]

07-17-2003 00:35:09




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 Re: Re: New Idea Cut/ditioner 272 in reply to paul, 07-16-2003 09:21:07  
yeh like paul said that is one of the points you harvest higher quality hay and it dries a lot faster because not only the conditioner action but the hay rest on TOP of the longer stubble you left! air flows underneath and helps dry the hay.it's not resting on the still usually damp ground ! we thought about trying to take blades off to make it cut a smaller width swath but because of the way the wheel sits on the out side we didnt. maybe if we took off some blades on the inside of the conditioner close to the pto and hitch it might pull easier. dont know if that would upset the balance or not on it

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