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NewIdea Baler power reduction kit info needed...

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Scott

07-14-2003 10:36:38




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folks, trying to figure out how a power reduction kit on a New Idea 4844 baler will affect performance, does it cut ground speed, roll size / compaction, what gives. We have all the specs, turn to power box around, change gears, etc... trying to find out where the give is, how is it you can get the same roll, same ground speed and same performance, with 40hp versus 60hp?
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JMS/MN

07-15-2003 00:22:34




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 Re: NewIdea Baler power reduction kit info needed. in reply to Scott, 07-14-2003 10:36:38  
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, but I do have an older NI 456 baler, and it can be converted from 540 to 1000rpm pto. It involves turning the gearbox around, and replacing the front pto knuckle with a 21 spline unit, so it can be run at 1000 rpm. The baler runs the same speed, and operates in the same manner as if it were powered by a 540 pto.



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paul

07-14-2003 10:56:15




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 Re: NewIdea Baler power reduction kit info needed. in reply to Scott, 07-14-2003 10:36:38  
I have no idea, but does it deal just with mating the 540 pto vs 1000 pto tractor systems - from your description??

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scott

07-14-2003 19:47:41




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 Re: Re: NewIdea Baler power reduction kit info nee in reply to paul, 07-14-2003 10:56:15  
actually, you switch the gear box around, replace the front 52t gear with a 42t gear and the rear pickup gear -- not sure what tooth count, but have heard many pros n cons..



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paul

07-16-2003 09:27:25




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 Re: Re: Re: NewIdea Baler power reduction kit info in reply to scott, 07-14-2003 19:47:41  
Guess others are thinking like me too I guess. Never heard of a kit to change speeds other than for the 540/1000 pto thing, or see any point to it - slowing down the baler would only slightly reduce power needs, and add to time it takes to bale, so can't see anyone bothering?

You could ask at>Link

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Shep VA

07-15-2003 10:54:41




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 Re: Re: Re: NewIdea Baler power reduction kit info in reply to scott, 07-14-2003 19:47:41  
Not familuar with your baler but it sounds like it is simply the difference between running a power shaft on 1000 RPM vs the 540 RPM. Any time you have a PTO shaft that pulls agenst the tractor like a round baler or a corn chopper, you can pull it with less power and tork on the 1000 RPM side.

How is this you ask, its kind of like riding a bike up a hill, the higher the gear on the bike the slower the pedals turn and the more power or tork it takes to move the bike the same speed. Shift the gears on the bike and the pedals spin faster, the bike speed stays the same, and it takes less power and tork. Same idea on a PTO shaft, on the 1000 side the shaft spins faster, the gearing is higher and the power required is less, but it turns the baler the same speed. That is how you can run the baler at 60hp on the 540 side and 40hp on the 1000 side.

Most of the high HP PTO applications like corn choppers, silage blowers, large brush hogs, big grinder mill mixers, and now even big round balers offer the 1000 RPM shaft so that you dont need a 200 HP tractor to chop heavy corn.

Hope this makes some sence for you.

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