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Side Delivery vs Wheel Rake

Which is best?

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Bill

07-02-2003 19:50:19




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When I go to the various manufacturer's pages, I see only a few side delivery rakes, but I see more of these wheel rakes. I have never seen a wheel rake operate, so my question is - what are the advantages/disadvantages of each.

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Bill




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RayP(MI)

07-03-2003 19:18:43




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 Re: Side Delivery vs Wheel Rake - Which is best? in reply to Bill, 07-02-2003 19:50:19  
The farmer who rented my place a few years back had a 3pt wheel rake with out any guide wheels. He ran at a pretty good clip, and it was bounce, bounce, bounce! He left a good deal of hay on the ground, and dug up the ground wherever the rake hit the ground. I'm using an old 3pt pto driven New Idea 5 bar rake, now, and can do a lot cleaner job, both of picking up the hay, and not dirt and undergrowth. It has three guide wheels, and is suspended by tractor as well.

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Chuck, WA

07-03-2003 06:57:59




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 Re: Side Delivery vs Wheel Rake - Which is best? in reply to Bill, 07-02-2003 19:50:19  
Thanks for the discussion! I only have a few acres of grass hay that I'm just getting ready to harvest for friends with horses. I bought an older Ferguson DEO-20 side-delivery about a year ago, but it needed too much in the way of repairs, so I'd been looking at alternatives. Considered a new Sitrex wheel rake, but happened onto a used Ford 503 side-delivery. Brought it home a couple of weeks ago, and a week ago, used it for the first time on grass hay that I had bush hogged (my sickle mower is still under repair). It worked great, though I did notice that it left a little more than I expected it to pick up - not a problem.

I was still having some reservations about which type would be better and until I got the Ford, was still thinking maybe I should go with a wheel rake. This group of replies sets my mind to rest that I have what fits my needs best.

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Pete

07-03-2003 06:27:12




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 Re: Side Delivery vs Wheel Rake - Which is best? in reply to Bill, 07-02-2003 19:50:19  
If you are just making rolls of hay for winter feeding then you can't beat the wheel rake but all wheel rakes are not equal. Mine is a v-rake designed so each wheel floats independantly and the windrow size is adjustable. After setting it up, I can rake as fast as I can stay on the tractor without bouncing off. It will pick up everything on the ground including dead stuff. Plus raking 20 feet at a swath, it really cuts time!

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smirkey

07-03-2003 06:01:31




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 Re: Side Delivery vs Wheel Rake - Which is best? in reply to Bill, 07-02-2003 19:50:19  
i like a wheel rake 'cause it's indistructable. but i will agree it picks up trash and dead thatch. i am looking for a good used farmhand 5 wheel close to pennsylvania.



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Jerry D in NC

07-03-2003 03:27:30




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 Re: Side Delivery vs Wheel Rake - Which is best? in reply to Bill, 07-02-2003 19:50:19  
Bill,

I am attaching a post I made about this time last year.

Both rakes have advantages and both have drawbacks. I own both and use both and I will give you my opinions. It depends alot on what kind of hay you are cutting and what market you are baling for. First the wheel rakes. Wheel rakes will rake anything that is on the ground. If you are raking grass hay for cows that is a good thing. If you are raking Alfalfa for horse quality hay for sale that is a bad thing. It gathers alot of trash and old dead growth that makes the hay look bad and puts old decomposed stems and other trash in the hay risking appearance and quality. If you are raking a slick hay like straw that has been mowed with a sicklebar, the wheel rakes have a propensity to comb the crop instead of raking and that gets very frustrating as you will leave alot of hay on the ground. The wheel rakes will not rake a tight windrow and if the crop is thick it will "boil" and leave more large clumps than a Rolabar will. If you rake alfalfa with the dew on to save leaf loss it will scratch dirt and it will stick to the crop and make it dirty and dusty once baled. If you are raking grass hay in the middle of the day then the dirt is not an issue. If you are baling for personal use for cows then the old plant material will not matter as much as for horses.

Now for Rolabars. My perspective will be based on a NH Rolabar rake. Rolabars are not created equal. The NH rakes are heavier and do better at raking heavy crops but they are more expensive. A comparable V wheel rake capable of raking 20 ft will cost around $3000-$4000 new and $2000 used. The single Rolabar from NH will cost $4000 for 8 Ft. and a dual hitch setup will cost $10000 new. The Rolabar will build a fluffy windrow or roll a rope depending on how it is set up. They rake above the ground and do not engage dirt in the raking process. Now if the hay has taken a rain or is flat on the ground it will leave more hay in the field than the wheel rake. It works great taking a swath from the MoCo and flipping it for better drying but not as well as a tedder but that is another discussion. Using a V-Rake to do that is next to impossible but a single 4 or 5 wheel rake will do it.

Me and the gentleman that I do hay with are looking at switching over to Rolabars for his straw operation (15000 - 20000 bales a year) because the rolabars work better in thick heavy straw. For my Alfalfa I will use the Rolabar exclusively because it is for sale to a very finicky customer set that does not like to see any of the winter frozen stems in the bales of hay they are buying and if they see dust when they open a bale of alfalfa they will bring the hay back and there is no convincing them that the dust was dirt because that is not a good thing either. When I want to clean a field good after baling the first cutting the wheel rake comes out and is used because it leaves nothing.

If I have to own only one then it will be the rolabar but if you are baling grass hay for your own cows then the wheel rake will do you fine for less money. Remember the NH Rolabar (the Gold standard Caddie of rakes) has not changed designs since the mid 50's and they still hold a significant market share. A 40+ year old rake that will bring more at auction than a new 4 wheel rake sells for new must have something going for it.

Sorry about the long post but these are the observations I have made and you asked for information

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markct

07-03-2003 09:12:09




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 Re: Re: Side Delivery vs Wheel Rake - Which is bes in reply to Jerry D in NC, 07-03-2003 03:27:30  
i gota dissagree with your comment that NH rakes are heavier, a friend has a NH 56 rake and i can lift the tounge on that if i have to, not easily but i can do it, i have a JD rake and even with 2 people its very hard to lift the tounge. my JD rake seems a heck of alot heavier, not to say its better than a NH, but it is heaviervfor sure



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Jerry D in NC

07-04-2003 06:34:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Side Delivery vs Wheel Rake - Which is in reply to markct, 07-03-2003 09:12:09  
Well thanks for correcting. Which model of JD do you have. I had used an older mid 70's model a few times and had problems with it climbing up the windrow and bringing the back wheels off the ground in some heav hay. I had made the leap of judgement that since the NH handled it great when I went a changed rakes that the NH was heavier. May have just been a design difference.



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Roy in UK

07-03-2003 02:44:20




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 Re: Side Delivery vs Wheel Rake - Which is best? in reply to Bill, 07-02-2003 19:50:19  
Those land driven wheel rakes ( they get called 'Acrobats' over here, named for the Vicon Acrobat which was a popular wheel rake sold here )tend to turn the swath into a 'self feeding rope'. They were OK for when the older type balers with slower running pick ups with wide spaced tines were around. These days with the advent of balers with faster rotating pick-ups with closer spaced tines, they have gone way out of fashion. In the UK, by far the most popular tedder/ rake is the rotary 'Haybob' type.

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Mark at CCM

07-03-2003 06:32:31




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 Re: Re: Side Delivery vs Wheel Rake - Which is bes in reply to Roy in UK, 07-03-2003 02:44:20  
Yes, Roy the rotary rakes make better windrows but they cost more. We sell a new 4 wheel rake for $400 and the rotary rakes start at $3000. Most of the small guys here in the States are price only people.



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Roy in UK

07-03-2003 08:50:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Side Delivery vs Wheel Rake - Which is in reply to Mark at CCM, 07-03-2003 06:32:31  
Mark,
You have got to be 'price only ' if you are only making a few acres of hay! I should imagine that you need to be making quite a lot of hay to justify $3000 for a hay rake.



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kyhayman

07-02-2003 20:43:11




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 Re: Side Delivery vs Wheel Rake - Which is best? in reply to Bill, 07-02-2003 19:50:19  
You may have opened a whole can of worms here. For me, I had a v-wheel rake a few months and hated it. With a v rake you have action on both sides of the tractor, I was always hitting something. Also doesn;t rope the hay, and I have a 4' wide pickup on round baler, can't get a full 18' from the v rake into a 4' wide windrow without it balling up in the rake. I bought a new 5 bar 256 NH and then this year bought an old NH 56 and welded a hitch to it to pull the 256 in the back. Works great! A new inline 18' wheel rake was going to be $3200, got the 56 for 600, put 150 in parts and teeth in it plus 100 wach in building a dolly wheen and building the hitch. Already made 6 hitches for folks at $350 each, installed.

The bar rakes are narrower, and you do have a drive mechanism to maintain. Also roping can be a disadvantage (my round baler does fine w/o roped hay, old JD square baler wastes a bunch if it isn't)

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lpc

07-02-2003 22:05:34




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 Re: Re: Side Delivery vs Wheel Rake - Which is bes in reply to kyhayman, 07-02-2003 20:43:11  
You know I was thinking the same thing. I use a wheel now cause I didn't know any better when I got it as my first. Wish I'd have found a 56 instead. Hmm. By wheel bake we are talking about the mounted wheels that turn by dragging the windrow, right? Mine's a Sitrex 4 wheel. The two biggest complaints I have about it is that you can only turn very gradual corners wirth it. If you don't it'll just try to drag the hay and not rake, or turn the other way and it'll roll the wheels around and not rake. The other is that with no tail wheel of any sort if the nose of the tractor goes down in a dip, the last wheels will lift and cease to funtion. Along the same lines if you hit a bump the makes the the nose go right or left then the windrow goes the other way. And, it's quite an amount on the small tractor I've got. Anybody want to trade for a rolling bar rake??? LOL

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Lary

07-04-2003 09:37:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Side Delivery vs Wheel Rake - Which is in reply to lpc , 07-02-2003 22:05:34  
Can't beat a NH 258 or 260, they are a foot wider and have double bearings on the bars, it will last you forevever.



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