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Bill

06-25-2003 15:35:45




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In my neck of the woods, I am seeing very few old Ford balers for sale, but am seeing some MF balers. I have seen a MF 9, 10, 12, 120 and a 124. I think I have seen two Fords, a 520 and a 530.

My question is - how well are the MF's vs Fords in terms of part availability and overall reliability.

I guess in my pecking order for used balers from what I have read, I am finding the following:

New Holland = best & most expensive
John Deere = best & most expensive

Then come the baler that due to $$ I have an interest in:

Ford = average & affordable
MF = average and somewhat less $$ than Ford

Lastly, the balers to avoid:
IH and all others.

These are just some questions and observations I have made. My opinion - not intended to offend with my list.

Any advise and comment would be most welcome.

Thanks in advance,
Bill

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Jim.UT

06-26-2003 13:21:36




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 Re: MF Ford Baler Questions in reply to Bill, 06-25-2003 15:35:45  
I run a MF124. It works, but parts prices have made me gasp. Needed a bill hook last year. Ended up buying a salvage yard unit due to price.

Jerry D's description of the knotter system is accurate. I also have a Ford 542 but have yet to put a single bale through it....only money! But not much money. I got it for free and am into it about $150. I'm hung up waiting for a roundtuit so I can finish the repairs that I am aware of that need done. Maybe by the end of summer I can give you a side by side comparison of the two.

MF 124's like mine usually sell at auction around here for about $400-$800. I've used mine about 4 years now and other than the broken bill hook have had no major problems.

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Jerry D in NC

06-26-2003 11:09:12




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 Re: MF Ford Baler Questions in reply to Bill, 06-25-2003 15:35:45  
Here are my comments, and let me start with the fact I own a Ford 530 baler. There are apparently 2 basic styles of knotters. One where the billhook is 90 degrees to the bale chamber and it has an arm that wipes the twine off the billhook finishing the tying cycle. These knotters are used in JD, NH and Ford. There may be others but these I know. The other style has the billhook inline with the bale chamber and the tying cycle is completed by the bale pulling the knot off of the billhook as it travels out the back of the baler. These style of knotters are used on IH and MF balers that I know of. Now that leaves a litany of others (Case, Oliver, Hesston, etc.) that I have no clue about. The inline style used on the MF and IH seem to be more sensitive to how fast you are putting hay in. This would explain why several people seem to have a very successful experience with the IH's running a bit lower RPMs as it works easier to pull that knot off rather than yanking it off. Now the first style wipes it off of the billhook while the bale is sitting still but can have problems if the bill hook is rusty or grooved, or the wiper arm is not properly adjusted. I think general opinion on this board is that the JD and NH knotters are maybe a bit more reliable but again the way you use it could have alot to do with it. Guilt by association would be the Ford baler because the knotters are the same vendor.

Feeding systems: I have experience with 3 styles auger (JD and Old Fords), fingers (NH) and forks (Ford 530). Augers seem to work fine, is a wear point because it is only supported on one end. Fingers are up in the air. Probably work fine but they are bad to wear down. Just neede to keep an eye on that adjustment. Forks on the Fords are great if you ignore the picture in the manual and time them 180 degrees out of phase. They will move some hay in a hurry.

There is some information for you to ponder. I personally would go for the Ford as parts seem to be as available as most of the NH older balers and priced about the same. A second parts baler can probably be had for a cheap price if you keep your eyes open as well.

Look at how worn out the options are. A worn out baler is worn out and may not be the best buy. No matter the price.

But then again, I am one of the founding members of the FBBA and a bit biased

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Bill

06-26-2003 18:21:35




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 Re: Re: MF Ford Baler Questions in reply to Jerry D in NC, 06-26-2003 11:09:12  
Jerry,

Thanks much for the reply. I kind of like those Ford balers too. The two in my neck of the woods I saw were a 530 for $500 that was sold in a snap and a 520 that looked like it was in good shape, but for $950. It was a small baler, but I think the price was high.

Also, maybe you can straighten me out on this. I seem to have read or heard that New Holland was going to stop supplying parts for pre-'62 balers. Anything to this? I think that the 520 was made along about that time.

With the small fields we have around here, the 520 would have fit the bill - but between age, support and price, I passed.

It sounds like you can really jam the hay into the Ford baler and "make hay" time wise so to speak.

I've got my eyes pealed for a 520. I think they were made up to '81.

Thanks again for all the info!
Bill

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Jerry D in NC

06-27-2003 07:58:47




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 Re: Re: Re: MF Ford Baler Questions in reply to Bill, 06-26-2003 18:21:35  
The 520 is based on an older design the 150 I think and if that is so then it was made from the mid 50's through the mid to late 60's. I have not heard of support cancellation by NH on anything



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Delbert

06-25-2003 17:58:07




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 Re: MF Ford Baler Questions in reply to Bill, 06-25-2003 15:35:45  
I like your list i,m sure it is about right. But i am going to put my 2 cents worth in anyway. The ih balers get a bad rap because people will run them like jd or new holland balers . That is not the way to run the old timers they were made to run slow like the old binders. Run your tractor not more than 1/3 to 1/2 trottle they will bale and tie as good as any baler. I know i have had new ih balers and if i ran them slow they would bale all day and never miss a bale. I have a 46 ih and will keep anybody busy on the wagon i know i,ve been there. My opion they are easier to work on than other brands. Not intended to make anyones mind up just my thoughts. Also i had a no.12 mf baler the plunger knife was broke on it didn,t make a good bale. Praire hay never miss a bale bromegrass seemed like it never tied a bale. Couldn,t make a bale to keep twine on it.

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Bill

06-25-2003 18:05:42




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 Re: Re: MF Ford Baler Questions in reply to Delbert, 06-25-2003 17:58:07  
Thanks Delbert on the IH info. My Wife's father was a small time dairy farmer from the late 50's thru the mid 70's. He was an IH man through and through - trucks, tractors (a super-H) and a IH model 45 baler. I never heard him say anything bad about those IH machines - so I assume his baler worked well over those years too.

Bill



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