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Bob G

06-10-2003 05:53:10




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I borrowed a neighbors IH 27 baler(pto driven) to put behind my M last night. Have about 2 acres that dries out before my cows can get to it. Figured I would bale it this year just to see how much hay I would get off it. The tractor and baler work good together just about the right hp for the baler. I didn't think the windrows were too big, but after not doing any baling for 20 years I know they are going to cause a problem. I baled about a third last night when I broke a shear bolt, didn't have anymore so I have to pick them up tonight. I will problem end up using the fork to feed the baler on the heavier stuff unless anyone has some suggestions.

I have been fun though, I always like to bale even when the baler didn't work right. My wife thinks I'm nuts though.

Bob

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ShepFL

06-12-2003 06:41:46




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 Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to Bob G, 06-10-2003 05:53:10  
I have been thinking of doing some haying. Older fella down the road wants me to take over some of his older equipment. Just have not had the time.

While I have never cut and baled I find it facinating. All my haying experience is being the young fella on the ground bucking bales onto the trailer. From time to time I would have to teach the newcomers how to stack the hay so we would not dump the load when leaving the fields. Come winter we got to handle that same hay again hauling it from the barn out to feed 250 head of hosses.

Haying was one of my summer jobs that paid dern good money for the hard work. I tell you this, when football season started in the fall all of us on the haying crews were always in shape.

Again, thinking of haying and putting my boys in the field bucking bales.

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Please Stop!!!

06-12-2003 01:07:55




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 Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to Bob G, 06-10-2003 05:53:10  
I've been all round bales since the early 90's, and you guys have got me thinking about the NH 68 baler sitting up the road for sale.

Spent a lot of days getting a tan on the hayrack behind one of those when I was a kid, that was the only time Mom ever drove the tractor.

Might have to go buy it to give the nephews some work to do...

Steve NW WI



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Kelly C

06-12-2003 05:24:27




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 Re: Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to Please Stop!!!, 06-12-2003 01:07:55  
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Go get that 68.
Wait till my Son finds out the real reason I got my 68 was to keep him busy during the summers.



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Hugh MacKay

06-11-2003 19:22:49




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 Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to Bob G, 06-10-2003 05:53:10  
Bob: Very interesting reading all these posts on thread and the fun you guys are having baling hay. What is even more intersting is how some of you are making these old machines work some of which are crawling close to the half century mark. I have a funny little baling story of my own and this involves a new baler and some new technology some 40 odd years ago.

My dad bought the very first bale thrower New Holland brought into our area. Mounted on a Super 69 Hayliner the thrower was powered by a Briggs and Stratton engine with a cable control on throttle of the Briggs and running all the way to tractor. As we were partway through haying before this contraption arrived, we threw some quick racks unto a couple of wagons which turned out to be both too narrow and too short. My brother Frank was going to take to the field with Farmall 300, baler, thrower and wagon. Well that cable control was so springy and on the tractor Frank couldn't hear the Briggs. At the end of the first load, Frank had 68 bales on the wagon and 212 on the ground. My dad shook his head and said," well a least we'll have something for the wagons we didn't get rack built on to do." Second load and by this time the NH dealer came along with his live moving camra. I guess you wouldn't call it a vidio camra in those days. The telephone wires by our place in those days were the old steel party lines on a crossbar at top of pole, about 10-12 wires across. Frank started to bale the back swath along the highway, ducking in between the poles. He gave the thrower a bit or rather a lot more throttle and zip out comes a bale, went up through the two wires, separated a bit wider by the poles. The bale then turned crossways and came to rest on top of several telephone wires. The bale stayed there the rest of the day. I don't know how it affected the partyline conversation that day.

The Briggs powered thrower didn't stay around too long. The shock of bales hitting the belts put two rods through blocks that first summer. The thrower did have a flywheel. NH did a recall on that thrower and the next spring a new pto driven thrower arrived. We built 4- 20'x 8' wagons, Frank did get better at it. The second summer he could bale 3000 to 4000 bales in a day and have all but a dozen or so in the wagons.

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Jim.UT

06-11-2003 11:11:12




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 Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to Bob G, 06-10-2003 05:53:10  
I moved to the country 9 years ago. They house sits on 2 acres with 1.5 of that planted in alfalfa. I asked the seller what he did with that field and he said the neighbor would cut and bale it for me if I asked him. So he did for the first 4 years I was here. He was an old guy with old equipment. He used a JD#5 sickle, pto rake of unknown origin, IH 47 baler and a Ford 860 tractor. Then in '98 I saw him driving a new tractor. Turned out to be a rental. He came to me and said he wouldn't be able to do mine anymore because his tractor was in the shop and he didn't have time to do it. Plus his equipment was old and not dependable, etc etc. Mainly I think he didn't like doing mine for money. He was OK doing it for the former owner because he got to keep the hay, but I was paying him to bale it, then selling it to my sister for a profit.

Well the grass was about waist high when he told me this. I didn't know what to do. No one was willing to come custom cut a 1.5 acre piece. I was advised to buy a couple of calves, let them eat all summer and then sell them in the fall and make money. So I tried it. Lost $800. I decided that if I was going to lose money I'd rather do it with machinery than animals.

So I started accumulating machinery. Now I do my own hay (I still sell it to my sister, but the profit margin is probably negative). I use a Ford 850, JD#9 sickle, Ferguson DEO-25 rake and a MF124 baler. I also have a Ford 542 baler that I'm trying to restore to working condition. I tell people I have more equipment per acre than anyone else in the valley! I've been baling my ground (and now a neighbor's ground) since '99.

Funny thing is, before I got my own equipment, I asked my neighbor if he would let me use his. The look on his face was priceless. He was polite enough not to say what he was thinking. He just quietly said no, but I could see that he wanted to say "There's no way in he11 I'm letting some dumb city boy touching my stuff!" Now that I have "stuff" of my own, I know what he was feeling. After doing my own for a few years, I had baler problems last summer. Guess what? This same neighbor offered to let me take his tractor and baler to finish the job! I didn't even have to ask! I guess I passed his test.

I really enjoy watching the hay fall when the sickle mower is working good.

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Rick in MI

06-11-2003 08:34:18




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 Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to Bob G, 06-10-2003 05:53:10  
I have that same feeling about cutting and baling hay. I really enjoy it. I have an old 71 Ford 3000 tractor without a live PTO or powersteering, old 488 NH haybine, 273 NH baler, 896 JD rake. I am just a small scale hobby farmer. We use the hay for our 3 Horses and goat. My wife says I'm crazy to waist my time and money on baling my own hay. Sometimes I think she's right when it's 95 degrees and you have 500 bales to put in the barn that feels like 120 degrees and, there never is a breeze to found. Can't beat the quailty of making your own hay either. Still haven't quite figured out why that baler likes to make bannana shaped bales yet.
When the year is over I can't wait until next years hay season starts.

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chaney creek

06-10-2003 16:56:57




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 Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to Bob G, 06-10-2003 05:53:10  
People ask me too why I fool with hay and I say beecuz I enjoy it and because we never could afford the equipment to do so when I was young.
Do I need to see a shrink?

Maybe we could all get a group discount!
It's probably the best therapy of all.

Can't wait 'til Saturday.



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Hayman

06-10-2003 19:14:07




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 Re: Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to chaney creek, 06-10-2003 16:56:57  
Hi,and I even call myself Hayman,that's not 'cause I do a lot but because I like it.Old tractor-NAA Ford,501 sickle,Zweegers combo rake/tedder,want to get fairly modern baler(320 N.H.?)with a good running antique baler tractor,maybe a Cockshutt 30.Yesterday and today I put up 950 small squares.Feel tired but good.
This ol' 55 yr. old is still hangin'. I finally have the sickle workin vary, very well with the spring loaded sickle clamps.

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Chris L

06-11-2003 20:30:40




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 Re: Re: Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to Hayman, 06-10-2003 19:14:07  
I have a 501 - someone modified it to 9'
the sickle isn't great - I am mowing brome - done it for about 3 years now - doesn't get any better any year- I can mow it - but I have to just crawl - otherwise it kinda starts to clatter and the belt slips - the pitman was haldf rotted - hat broke last year and once I got that on new it helped a lot....
what are these spring sickle deals u talk about?

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Gary in TX

06-10-2003 15:36:15




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 Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to Bob G, 06-10-2003 05:53:10  
Well, as some of you may have seen in some of my posts on this site I do custom hay baling here in north central Texas. I have to say I think of baling year round. I love what I do and am working on expansion now. Its something that I think truly is in the blood and the sad thing is that a good majority of people these days don't have a clue about it or agriculture over all for that matter. The people of this country and really everywhere need to be educated on just what sustains their very being, its not computors, playstations, or some such thing. Its the products of agriculture and those who are out in the field working to feed and cloth the population. Don't cuss a farmer with your mouth full is one of my favorite sayings. It would be rather tough chewing to take a bite out of that pc in front of you right now. My hats off too all those who work the fields and who are providing the life sustaining food and other products that the FARMER provides this great country. The great men and women of agriculture are the backbone of this country and should be treated with the utmost respect and kindness for the job that they do!

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Bob-KS

06-11-2003 14:23:39




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 Re: Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to Gary in TX, 06-10-2003 15:36:15  
amen to that - most people seem to think food magically appears at the supermarket in plastic containers. Don't know who to attribute this to but 'if you've had a meal today, you're involved with farming'.


Bob



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RichZ

06-10-2003 11:59:39




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 Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to Bob G, 06-10-2003 05:53:10  
And I thought I was the only one nutty enough to bale hay because I enjoy it!! Yeah, I use it for my horses and goats, but everyone always tells me that for all the time and equipment I use, it would be cheaper to buy it. But it feels like such an accomplishment, I love it.

I've been using a sicklebar mower to cut the hay, but now I'm looking for an old, cheap brush hog. I'll cut the left part of the skirt off, and use that to cut hay. The sicklebar is too much of a hassle, and a moco is too expensive and difficult to maintain. Even I can maintain a brush hog!!

Rich

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Jerry A.

06-10-2003 15:00:57




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 Re: Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to RichZ, 06-10-2003 11:59:39  
You may want to consider a "drum" mower. I bought a new Zetor drum mower 2 summers ago. It works great...kind of a poor man's disc mower. It only cuts a 6' swath, but you can scoot along in 3 gear with no problems. It does lay the hay in a windrow of sorts, which I don't like (I end up tedding the hay right away), but it's cheaper than a disc mower and a heck lot fewer hassles than a standard sickle mower.

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JDMark

06-10-2003 11:26:27




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 Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to Bob G, 06-10-2003 05:53:10  
I have a small haying operation on my place and a few neighbors with small fields that give me the hay just to get it cut. I agree that it is hard work but very enjoyable. I use older equipment: JD #5 mower on a '45 JD B tractor, IH #14 rake & IH 430 baler. Run the baler with either a '47 JD B of my son's or a '49 JD B that is completely restored. Haul it in with a hay wagon that my grandpa made over 50 years ago. Spend a lot of time getting everything ready & usually head back to the shop at least once for some kind of repair. (If I would quit fertilizing my field, it sure would be easier on the mower.) Got the baler working well 2 years ago and put up over 500 bales so far this year. Baler is running like a clock. Very enjoyable when everything is working right.

Mark

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GregWIs

06-10-2003 11:08:17




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 Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to Bob G, 06-10-2003 05:53:10  
I am with you guys all the way on bailing hay. It's some of the hardest work I do but I love that feelign in winter when you know your critters are being fed off your hard work.

Around the turn of the millenium I read that historians named hay as one of the greatest developments in the last 1000 years because it allowed cities (and the animals needed to work and feed them) to develop in northern latitudes. Tried to explain that to my brother and son as they go tup on the wagon to stack bales but they didnt beleive me. Felt a little like Tom Sawyer talkin his buddies into white washing the fence.

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Jim H.

06-10-2003 10:39:01




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 Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to Bob G, 06-10-2003 05:53:10  
as you probably know, go as slow as you can over the big clumps without losing your pto speed - the M doesn't have a "live" pto, does it? With a live pto, you could pretty much stop/crawl when you came to the big clumps.
Baling hay, the entire process, is just about my favorite activity in the world. Watchin' the weather, layin' it down, waitin' for it to dry, raking, baling, putting it in the barn - it's the most fulfilling "job" I've ever had. People I work with think I'm nuts. My wife, after a few years, has gotten the bug herself. And my boys, one of which has been raking for a couple of years - well, it's just one more activity to draw us together. Safety first, of course. I even enjoy the breakdowns (equipment, not the nervous kind), because it tests your skills to see just how fast you can put together a fix & be back up and running again. And old equipment is more educational than anything else - you don't learn anything with new stuff. Baling hay is just awesome.

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Bob G

06-10-2003 19:30:12




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 Re: Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to Jim H., 06-10-2003 10:39:01  
Jim,

No the M doesn't have alive pto, you learn to kick it out of gear real quick to keep from plugging it up. The IH 27 that I borrow is a small machine and had quite a time handling a 7' swath that the JD #5 made. I finished up tonight, it was only 1 1/2 acres, but my cows can't eat that much that fast. I didn't it just to do it and ended up with 2 1/2 ton of good orchard grass hay. Some of the field had Reed Canary grass in it that was 6' feet tall so I ended up stopping and feeding it in with a pitch fork.

And wouldn't you know it as soon as I finished a small thunder storm came through and made it wet enough to keep me from stacking it tonight. But that will get done tomorrow.

Bob

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Steve W

06-10-2003 09:27:58




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 Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to Bob G, 06-10-2003 05:53:10  
I think of all the had work I have done, and nothing compares to the feeling after seeing acres of acres of widrows in the morning turned into a full barn at night. I have an office job, but take vacation just to help a neighbors little hobby haying operation.

Bought myself a sickle bar mower.....next looking for a rake....then a bailer..... yikes!

Take Care
Steve



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Chet Glenn

06-10-2003 08:45:41




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 Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to Bob G, 06-10-2003 05:53:10  
I enjoy it for my own uses, but I was amazed at the number of people that started calling when word got out that I have square bailing equipment! I do not and will not get caught up in custom bailing for others. I pack enough square bales for what I need and also buy some round bales. All the equipment is old and I would like it to last a while, time is at a premium and I don't want to spend it cutting hay and working on the equipment.

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Bob G

06-10-2003 08:05:38




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 Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to Bob G, 06-10-2003 05:53:10  
Forgot to mention that I'm trying to do this and get it done by Friday (rain) with a couple of broken ribs. If I don't move to fast or quickly I'm alright. Got kicked by a calf two weeks ago and didn't take it too easy after it happened and now paying the price.

Bob G



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Jim Ct

06-10-2003 06:31:11




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 Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to Bob G, 06-10-2003 05:53:10  
My friends And know we're nuts once that hay bug bites you its all over.you spend the seasn fretting about the weatther then cursing the machinery the help or lach there of is exasperating.the customers can be arrogant,igrant and cheap but when the seasons done you cann't wait to do it again.In the last 20 years we all have advanced JD14Ts and sicklebars to discbines and kickers but we all love it.

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Frustrated Farmer

06-12-2003 16:47:23




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 Re: Re: The entertainment of baling hay. in reply to Jim Ct, 06-10-2003 06:31:11  
Haying is a life experience that beats you to the ground trying to manage weather, time and equipment but fills those with the sickness with a sense of purpose for owning the land. Nothing like working in a factory second shift, get up early, bale all day, go to work, come home on that hot summer nite and stuff hay in the mow until the sun comes up. My wife used to think I was crazy, but this week she told me I should loose my thrower, she misses driving and baling while I'm on the wagon stacking. Maybe once my kids are a little older the thrower might fall off the baler and we can all experience the uphoria that comes about from smelling cured alfalfa. The wife also said she heard somewhere that its been identified as a natural aphrodesiac,

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