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Farmer's Wife

06-07-2003 18:04:11




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Ok - You guys look like some knowledgeable folks so I'm relying on you!

My husband and I have moved to a farm that is actually large enough to grow hay for our horses instead of having to buy elsewhere. So we started looking about, went to an auction and backyards and put together some old hay equipment. Husband's relatively handy with fixing and mending. And back in his younger days actually did some hay growing/cutting with his dad.

We bought a Deutz Farh tedder, 4 rotor and we've been told its all we need to tedder and rake but...I can't seem to find any information on them, maybe not made anymore? And of course husband isn't about to ASK anyone and look like he doesn't know what he's doing (no, he won't stop and ask directions for places either!) so that leaves it to me if I actually want to feed my horses this winter! It does have two PTO hook ups, and I know the newer tedders have dual speed PTO's, one for tedding and one for windrowing - but are there other adjustments assuming that's what ours does? We haven't experimented with it yet as it needed some welding and he's finishing that up.

The other question in on our sickle bar mower. It's an International, but our tractor is a Ford, didn't think it would make such a difference but it doesn't like to hook up properly. We replaced the blade and rock gaurds as the previous ones were extremely worn, but this one still doesn't want to cut the grass. It appears to be working correctly, though it makes a bit of racket, until you get into the grass then it pushes the grass over instead of cutting - any ideas?

Thanks for any information!!!

Janelle

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Michael Soldan

06-08-2003 16:37:11




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 Re: Need help! Tedders and sickle bars... in reply to Farmer's Wife, 06-07-2003 18:04:11  
Farmer's wife ..about the sickle mower..when you have it down in cut mode the cutting bar should be level to the ground, this adjustment can be made on the top link of the three point hitch. If the guards are sloping downward or upward it will slide on hay. Also the hay must be dry to cut it. If you try cutting early in the day after a heavy dew or too soon after a rain the wet hay will cause you trouble. I can't see why your mower won't work with a little adjustment. Make sure the sections are sharp. I find the easiest way to do this is take the knife out, stand it up and take the angle grinder, sharpen the top side of each section, invert the knife, sharpen the top of each section and you are ready to install it. Check all rivets are tight, that can make noise when the mower is idling. With some experimenting and minor adjustments you should be able to cut hay. Good luck from Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Brian in MO

06-08-2003 11:39:02




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 Re: Need help! Tedders and sickle bars... in reply to Farmer's Wife, 06-07-2003 18:04:11  
As for the sickle mower International made several different type hitches mounted(hooks to 3-pt), semi-mounted (bolts to back of tractor and has a single wheel on the rear),trailor type(hooks to drawbar with single pin and has 2 wheels). If it doesn't hook to your tractor properly sounds like you could have a semi-mounted which would take a great deal of fabricating to make it work, which could be some of the problem with it cutting. This is pure speculation more information and description of the mower would be helpful. By the way the semi-mount work best on the farmall H,M,300-560 series tractors with a standard drawbar. The others should be usable on any tractor equiped with a 3-pt or drawbar. Hope this helps some. Brian

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Farmer's Wife

06-08-2003 16:25:52




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 Re: Re: Need help! Tedders and sickle bars... in reply to Brian in MO, 06-08-2003 11:39:02  
Hmmmm...well, it has a single wheel in the back and it hooks to our three point's two lower points but its difficult to get the PTO hooked in, not impossible, just difficult. It has a lever to the left hand side (if you're sitting in the tractor facing forward) which raises and lowers the mower bar, which my husband thinks possibly once hooked to a hydraulic system. Its rather old and not overly cared for, he's cleaned a lot of rust off, and like I said, replaced the blade and rock gaurds which were duller than river rocks!

I'm wondering now that you talk about a drawbar type set up if that's not something we should look into instead of hooking those two arms up?

J

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kyhayman

06-09-2003 05:27:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Need help! Tedders and sickle bars... in reply to Farmer's Wife, 06-08-2003 16:25:52  
Definitely sounds likea pull type to 3pt conversion. Don't get caught paying too much for a straight sicklemower. Good mower conditioners can be had (at least in this area) for under $1000. I put up a lot of timothy (1o-15K bales) and wouldn't even remotely be able to cut it with a straight sickle mower, cut some last night that even the haybine wouldn't touch, had to use the disc mower.



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Brian in MO

06-08-2003 17:43:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Need help! Tedders and sickle bars... in reply to Farmer's Wife, 06-08-2003 16:25:52  
Sounds like you may have a older style semi-mounted that someone has "converted" to use with a 3pt. (I must admit I have done the same thing)But your mower must be a older one to have a lever to raise it, my mower is a model 1000 which has a hydralic cylinder to raise it and a balanced head insted of a pitman arm (which is a piece of wood about 2"x2"x3' that drives the sickle back and forth) you probably have the pitman arm. If you have a pitman arm be careful folding the bar over as the sickle will move and fingers can be lost. If you only have the one tractor to do your hay with then the drawbar type would be something to consider as it would be far easier to hook and unhook between mowing, raking, and bailing. If your mower is a semi-mount converted trial and error my be the only way to get it to mow. Brian

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RickB.

06-08-2003 03:10:15




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 Re: Need help! Tedders and sickle bars... in reply to Farmer's Wife, 06-07-2003 18:04:11  
Hooking the PTO to one shaft gives a fast rotor speed for tedding, which it does well. The other shaft will give a slow speed that is meant for raking. It won't rake well, especially short, thin hay. You may as well start looking for a legitimate hay rake.



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Farmer's Wife

06-08-2003 07:16:31




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 Re: Re: Need help! Tedders and sickle bars... in reply to RickB., 06-08-2003 03:10:15  
Thanks Rick-

For this cutting at least we have tall, thick timothy but I guess I'll hit a few more auctions and keep my eyes on the papers...

J



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Tim in PA.

06-07-2003 18:34:48




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 Re: Need help! Tedders and sickle bars... in reply to Farmer's Wife, 06-07-2003 18:04:11  
I have a Deutz-Fahr tedder. Mine is a KH 300 model. I get all the parts for mine at an Agco dealer. I can't rake with my tedder it only spreads the hay out. But if you have an Agco dealer close by he should be able to help.



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Farmer's Wife

06-07-2003 18:56:34




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 Re: Re: Need help! Tedders and sickle bars... in reply to Tim in PA., 06-07-2003 18:34:48  
Thank you! I believe ours is a KH 500, and I do think there is an Agco dealer up the road a ways, will check into it!



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Hayman

06-08-2003 10:23:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Need help! Tedders and sickle bars... in reply to Farmer's Wife, 06-07-2003 18:56:34  
Hi,I don't know much about the Int. mower,I have a 501 Ford mower and after 5 years I finally have it cutting really well.A manual is invaluable in setting up any mower and also I installed aftermarket hold down clips on the bar. These are spring loaded steel instead of the old cast ones and they really work well since they hold the blade sections down tight on the ledger plates.It makes a very clean cut and VERY few plugs.Like someone on this forum said cutting with a sickle bar is an acquired art and skill.I love my mower now.

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Farmer's Wife

06-08-2003 16:29:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Need help! Tedders and sickle bar in reply to Hayman, 06-08-2003 10:23:10  
Hold down clips? Ok...not sure exactly what those are so that's something I'll have to look into. If I'm thinking rightly on what you are describing, they would replace the metal plates that hold the blade in place?



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paul

06-08-2003 20:12:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Need help! Tedders and sickle in reply to Farmer's Wife, 06-08-2003 16:29:14  
Yup, the metal clamp brackets every few ways that hold the sickle down flat. The normal style need to be hammered down to hold the sickle down very closely, but _not_ tight of course.

How fast were you driving with the sickle? We discussed this a few days ago, you might want to search down a ways for that. On my 960 Ford 5-speed, I mostly drive in 3rd to mow, once in a while 2nd, once in a while 4th. Too fast & it doesn't work, too slow & the hay piles up on the blade, making a mess. Too wet (dew) & it causes problems. Mowing with the wind can cause problems. The blade should be fairly level, possibly angled up a tiny bit (front edge slightly higher that rear edge). The far end of the sickle blade should be an inch or so ahead of the side closest to the tractor - NOT trailing behind you. Fine stemmed grass or very messy clover can be difficult to cut, but sounds like you have good stemmy hay. Sounds like you have new sharp parts. Did you time the blades, so the sickle sections stop moving dead center on a guard in each direction?

A manual is a good idea, IH is Case dealers now...

--->Paul

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