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Sharpening twine knives / other questions

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bruce

06-06-2003 08:12:54




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My 'new' JD 14t baler has 1 knotter that misses 25-50% of the time. The knot stays on the bill hook - and nothing good happens after that. There is not a 'gap' with the needles that is sometimes is attributed to this. The bill hook doesn't have any grooves, but isn't particularly smooth. I would say both these conditions are identical between the two sides, and the problem only exists on one side. I want to try a coulple things. The twine (which came with the baler) says 16000 on it. I think I wish to try something else to see it that helps (any suggestions?). Also, I've heard that you can sharpen the knives that cut the twine. Will this help? How is this done? I believe one or both they may be dull because I can feel them catch when I cycle it by hand during threading. Do you sharpen along the length of the curve, or just at the tip? Also, it is posslble and/or will it help to polish the bill hooks?

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Warren

06-09-2003 08:44:09




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 Re: Sharpening twine knives / other questions in reply to bruce, 06-06-2003 08:12:54  
Bruce,

Sounds like you have the same problem that I have with my 14T baler. I have much better luck with the 9000' or 7200' twine. My baler also leaves the knot on the bill hook always the left side, about every 20-30 bales. Last year it was worse for a while and out of frustration, I switched the twine coming from the rolls to the other needles (left roll to right needle and right to left) - it worked much better after that which leads me to believe that it is somehow related to twine tension, although changing the tension doesn't seem to make any difference.
Another thing that helps is to put the twine rolls in the #2 and #4 (counting from left), position in the baler twine box. The twine seems to feed better from those positions.
This spring, I was working on the knotters and took the wiper arm out of the assembly and noticed that the brass ball at the end of the wiper arm was frozen and had a small flat spot on it. I freed it up and lubricated well. So far this year, it seems better but I will have to bale more to see if it helps. I do not think that sharpening the knife will solve your problem since the problem is the knot is not wiped off the bill hook, but the string is cut OK.

Good luck.

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Steve450

06-08-2003 06:53:51




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 Re: Sharpening twine knives / other questions in reply to bruce, 06-06-2003 08:12:54  
Also make sure your wiper arm is adjusted right. It should just graze the bottom of the bill hook as it goes by to cut the twine. This "wipes" the knot off of the bill hook. If it is not touching, just bend it in a little. You could also look at your bill hook tention, there is an adjustment screw on the side of each bill hook.



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bruce

06-06-2003 14:21:25




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 Re: Sharpening twine knives / other questions in reply to bruce, 06-06-2003 08:12:54  
Thanks gents - I makes sense that thicker twine would come off better. I'll try that first - and sharpening the twine cutters. I'm still curious how this is usually done. Do you remove knives first and use a bench grinder, or do you leave them in place and get a file down in there?



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Jerry A.

06-07-2003 19:37:39




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 Re: Re: Sharpening twine knives / other questions in reply to bruce, 06-06-2003 14:21:25  
I've just used an air powered die grinder with a carbide bit (gotta love carbide!!!). If you're gentle, it'll put a razor sharp edge on the knife and you won't have to take the knife off the baler.



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C

06-06-2003 21:43:25




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 Re: Re: Sharpening twine knives / other questions in reply to bruce, 06-06-2003 14:21:25  
No no no bench grinder. Perhaps a file to get things back in shape the finish up with a honing stone to put a nice keen edge on it.



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paul

06-06-2003 12:31:13




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 Re: Sharpening twine knives / other questions in reply to bruce, 06-06-2003 08:12:54  
I don't know much about JD balers, but 16,000 is fine round baler twine, and probably plastic? If sisal, sometimes an old ball just goes bad, or got damp, and doesn't want to work right.

Your baler would have been designed for 9000 sisal. Many times 9000 plastic can work if that's what you want, but can be fussier with plastic. Try a bale of the 9000 sisal & see how it works.

--->Paul



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mike

06-06-2003 12:07:24




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 Re: Sharpening twine knives / other questions in reply to bruce, 06-06-2003 08:12:54  
You can polish the billhooks with a fine file or emery cloth. Try to sharpen the entire cutting edge of the knives if possible. I posted a question where i had the same problem I tightened the tension a little at the twine chamber and it almost fixed it however the other side that never missed now misses but only ever 20-30 bales.With a square baler I'd try 7200 if real worn or 9000 if in pretty good shape. These balers were designed for 9000 I think.

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