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Whats forage? (forage harvester)

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Curt

06-03-2003 22:15:29




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what the heck is a forage harvester used for?




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kyhayman

06-04-2003 17:48:52




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 Re: Whats forage? (forage harvester) in reply to Curt, 06-03-2003 22:15:29  
Seems we have a lot of debate on the moisture content of silage going here. Here's a link (I hope) to the University of Kentucky pub on corn silage, says good silage needs to be 60% moisture. Baleage a little more.

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Virginia Tech Sezzzzzz

06-04-2003 22:59:36




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 Re: Re: Whats forage? (forage harvester) in reply to kyhayman, 06-04-2003 17:48:52  
Gerald M. (Jerry) Jones

Professor and Extension Dairy Scientist

Virginia Tech, Blacksburg
..... .. Harvesting and storing silage at the correct moisture content is the best way to prevent seepage and subsequent pollution. The moisture contents that cause the least seepage also produce the best quality silage. For a bunk silo, this range is 68-70% moisture or 30-32% dry matter. The microbial activity in high moisture silage involves yeasts, fungi, and bacteria. These can cause high gaseous losses of dry matter. Over extended periods, high moisture feed becomes less palatable and is frequently inedible, and it may become toxic. Forages containing more than 74% moisture (less than 26% dry matter) are subject to clostridia fermentation which results in a feed that is less palatable and of poorer quality. A goal to shoot for would be 65% moisture or 35% dry matter.

Crops can be too dry when harvested. The ideal moisture content for corn is 65-70%, or 30-35% dry matter. The corn plant has its maximum energy content and yield when the milk line in the kernel has moved from 1/2 to 2/3 down into the crown. Drier plants and late harvest cause dropped ears, stalk breakage and leaf loss so less dry matter is recovered and packing in the silo is more difficult. The first cutting of alfalfa should be done at the bud stage and subsequent harvests made at the 1/10th bloom stage or every 35 days. Alfalfa should be wilted for approximately one day and this should reduce the moisture content by 10%. As much as 75% of the protein fraction is lost as non-protein nitrogen without wilting. Haylage with 60-70% moisture or 30-40% dry matter should have little seepage. Forage with less than 50% moisture (over 50% dry matter) is too dry to ensure good packing, thus increasing the risk of heat damage. Rye should be harvested in the boot stage and wilted. Barley, wheat and oats should be harvested as direct-cut silage when in the soft-dough stage (when the head is filled and the kernels are soft and easily crushed). At this stage, the moisture content should be approximately 65-70%. Moisture or dry matter contents can be tested on the farm with either a moisture tester or a microwave.

It is recommended that filling silo begin when the moisture content is approximately 70%, especially if it takes more than one day to fill and seal the silo. If the moisture content should fall below 60%, over 40% dry matter, a shorter length of cut is essential to minimize the presence of air within the hay crop silage or haylage. Corn should be harvested with a 1/4" theoretical length of cut. A finer 1/8" may be desirable only if corn is harvested beyond hard dent stage to make packing easier. Finer chopping leads to greater problems with acidosis, low milk fat content, and abomasal displacements.

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dhermesc

06-05-2003 08:10:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Whats forage? (forage harvester) in reply to Virginia Tech Sezzzzzz, 06-04-2003 22:59:36  
I have never actually tested silage for moisture content but I have only once stopped cutting mature corn because it was too wet. On that occasion the loaded silage wagon actually had water dripping (running) out the corners of the wagon. I agree that if you allow it to get to 30% to 40% you just as well wait a while longer and get it down to 20% range so you store it like hay.



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Hugh MacKay

06-04-2003 05:55:05




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 Re: Whats forage? (forage harvester) in reply to Curt, 06-03-2003 22:15:29  
Better tone that moisture down a bit. Good silage should be in the 25% to 30% moisture range. When you smell a cow farmer before you see him coming you know he has 50% moisture silage. Good silage smells sweet. As you drive the country side and see those silos with the big moisture stains, you know he isn't doing a good job of silage making.



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Farmer Gene (WI)

06-04-2003 08:22:17




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 Re: Re: Whats forage? (forage harvester) in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-04-2003 05:55:05  
I think you're wrong Hugh, corn silage should be 65-70% and haylage about the same, maybe a tad higher. If you get much lower you have trouble with mold and silo fires. Didn't have time to research the numbers, but that's what I'm thinking it is.



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Hugh MacKay

06-04-2003 09:57:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Whats forage? (forage harvester) in reply to Farmer Gene (WI), 06-04-2003 08:22:17  
Gene: I did make a mistake on the figure I quoted. I did quote what I used for high moisture corn cob meal at 25% to 30%. However in checking my records on forage samples sent to lab for testing, alfalfa haylage and corn silage never went over 40% I stored about 2000 tonnes of this material each year and never had any fires. A silo is not a place to store water, I pumped that to my livestock.

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Farmer Gene (WI)

06-04-2003 13:49:55




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Whats forage? (forage harvester) in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-04-2003 09:57:27  
I'm talking whole plant moisture, you must be talking dry matter.



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Hugh MacKay

06-04-2003 15:37:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Whats forage? (forage harveste in reply to Farmer Gene (WI), 06-04-2003 13:49:55  
Gene: I am talking moisture content of the mass. You chose to call me wrong, I did not do that with you. I will however say you do it your way and I will do it mine. I am not going to disclose to you how I do it either.



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JeffPA

06-04-2003 16:45:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Whats forage? (forage harv in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-04-2003 15:37:53  
Hate to get in the middle of a disagreement but I always understood that it depended on the method of storage. Conventional silo or pit 40% and Oxygen limiting silo 50% - 70%. I checked it out on the Penn State Agronomy guide and that's pretty much what they reccommend (probably why I have those numbers in my head). So anyway its possible you're both right depending on the method.



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paul

06-04-2003 13:12:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Whats forage? (forage harvester) in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-04-2003 09:57:27  
I never made any (bad plaster on the weak silo on the place) but around this neck of the woods they like the high-moisture corn at 30-33% and the whole plant corn silage to be either side of 70% moisture. Not sure on the haylage.

--->Paul



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Yup....65-70% is about ri

06-04-2003 09:36:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Whats forage? (forage harvester) in reply to Farmer Gene (WI), 06-04-2003 08:22:17  
Trying to get 25-30% moisture material to pack, and ferment is impossible. You will end up with a huge moldy mess as it can't pack tight enough to exclude letting in oxygen. Too wet is a problem too as you get seepage and spoilage.



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Hugh MacKay

06-04-2003 11:57:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Whats forage? (forage harvester) in reply to Yup....65-70% is about ri, 06-04-2003 09:36:28  
Sure you guys aren't confusing moisture with dry matter. Easy to get those figures backwards.



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here, try this

06-04-2003 04:41:41




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 Re: Whats forage? (forage harvester) in reply to Curt, 06-03-2003 22:15:29  
forage is any rough feed that a cow will eat. cows are a ruminate animal and require large amounts of high fiber feed. a forage harvester is use to cut and process plant materiel such as hay, corn stalks, ect. usualy done at 50 - 70 % moisture then put into storage where it ensiles. (a fermentation process)



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