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Re: Ford 4 bottom plow: too big for a 42 hp tract

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Ed

05-28-2003 09:17:38




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I'd let this one pass - the plow is probably bigger than the tractor. I'd use the following 1-1.5 drawbar hp per plow inch as a guideline. It's not to say that a Ford 5600 will not pull a 3-16 plow - It probably will but will strain the tractor and have problems with the really tough plowing.

2 bottom plows = 1 drawbar hp per 1" of plow - row crop
2-16 = 32 hp ~ Farmall M (33hp drawbar)
2-18 = 36 hp ~ Farmall Super M (39hp drawbar)

For 28" tires (utility tractors)add .25 hp per inch 2-12 = 30 hp ~ Ford 2600 (30hp drawbar)
2-14 = 35 hp ~ Ford 3600 (34hp drawbar)
2-16 = 40 hp ~ Ford 4600 (45hp drawbar)
2-18 = 45 hp ~ Ford 4600 (45hp drawbar)

3 bottom plows = 1.25 drawbar hp per 1" of plow - row crop
3-12 = 45 hp ~ Ford 5600 (52hp drawbar)
3-16 = 60 hp ~ Ford 6600 (58hp drawbar)
3-18 = 68 hp ~ Ford 7600 (67hp drawbar)

4 bottom plows = 1.5 drawbar hp per 1" of plow - row crop
4-14 = 84 hp ~ Ford 8600 (93hp drawbar)
4-16 = 96 hp ~ Ford 9600 (116hp drawbar)
4-18 = 108hp ~ Ford 9600 (116hp drawbar)

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Ed

05-29-2003 08:37:36




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 Re: Re: Ford 4 bottom plow: too big for a 42 hp t in reply to Ed, 05-28-2003 09:17:38  
Well it looked like I started a lot of discussion some like what I did others found the variables - and their are a lot of them. Tire size (H&W), lug type, radial ?, weight, weight distribution, soil conditions, weather, type of plow (some pull harder than others), points on the plow, and plowing depth just to name some of the variables. (I'm sure someone will fill in the rest)

The chart I created was baised on clay soils and mounted plows for the 3 & 4 bottom models that tend to pull harder than trailing plows. I really don't have any experience with 5 or 6 bottom trailing plows but understand they tend to pull easier that mounted rollover plows. I've seen an old JD 830 pull a 5 bottom trailing plow - it had plenty of weight and could pull a house. I guess you could drop the hp requirement to 1hp per inch for trailing plows putting a 6-18 with in reach of the 9600. I'd stick to the chart however for rollovers.

I think we can all agree that the tractors specified are up to the challange.

When all is said and done the only way to really determine the best tractor / plow combination is to try it.

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Ed

05-29-2003 08:30:57




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 Re: Re: Ford 4 bottom plow: too big for a 42 hp t in reply to Ed, 05-28-2003 09:17:38  
Well it looked like I started a lot of discussion some like what I did others found the variables - and their are a lot of them. Tire size (H&W), lug type, radial ?, weight, weight distribution, soil conditions, weather, type of plow (some pull harder than others), points on the plow, and plowing depth just to name some of the variables. (I'm sure someone will fill in the rest)

The chart I created was baised on clay soils and mounted plows for the 3 & 4 bottom models that tend to pull harder than trailing plows. I really don't have any experience with 5 or 6 bottom trailing plows but understand they tend to pull easier that mounted rollover plows. I've seen an old JD 830 pull a 5 bottom trailing plow - it had plenty of weight and could pull a house. I guess you could drop the hp requirement to 1hp per inch for trailing plows putting a 6-18 with in reach of the 9600. I'd stick to the chart however for rollovers.

I think we can all agree that the tractors specified are up to the challange.

When all is said and done the only way to really determine the best tractor / plow combination is to try it.

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John

05-28-2003 18:49:37




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 Re: Re: Ford 4 bottom plow: too big for a 42 hp t in reply to Ed, 05-28-2003 09:17:38  
I hate to pick at the chart because it was a good thought, but it is very inaccurate. I have a farmall M with a lot of hours on it that will pull my 3-14 plow in any kind of ground. M's were designed from the factory to be 3 plow tractors. Also, some may disagree but i have figured out another way to determine h.p to plow sizes. you need approx. 15 hp. for each 14-16" bottom...varying on how deep and type of ground..

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Hugh MacKay

05-29-2003 04:26:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Ford 4 bottom plow: too big for a 42 in reply to John, 05-28-2003 18:49:37  
John: Very well said, plowing is not a very exact science. Just imagion what it would do to the mind of an accountant.



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evielboweviel

05-28-2003 17:03:54




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 Re: Re: Ford 4 bottom plow: too big for a 42 hp t in reply to Ed, 05-28-2003 09:17:38  
In central Ohio It seems to run about 1hp per inch for 16" plows at 8-9" deep at 3mph. 18" plows at 9-11" deep at 4.5mph need about 1.2hp per inch, 14" at 6-7" maybe .8-.9hp per inch. All will be downshifting or going to underdrive in clay knobs and up hills



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Hugh MacKay

05-28-2003 15:31:54




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 Re: Re: Ford 4 bottom plow: too big for a 42 hp t in reply to Ed, 05-28-2003 09:17:38  
Ed: you can not use that precise of guide line, the soils are too varried across North America. That chart must be for awfully heavy clay. I pulled 5 x 16, 8" deep in sandy loam on the East Coast with a Farmall 656D. Here in SW Ontario's heavy clay they pull 4 x 14 with that same tractor plowing 8" deep and it works a lot harder than mine did.

Just re looking the chart, if it is right there have been one heck of a lot of over worked tractors across North America. No one ever hooked onto less the 3 x 14 or 16 with a Farmall M. I can pull 2x12 in heavy clay with my Farmall 130.

Your chart says nothing about depth and depth will definately make a difference. That chart must have drawn up by a couple of guys who spent too long in a bar. I mean if that 9600 wouldn't pull 6 x 16, 8" deep in any farmable soil, I'd cut it up for scrap.

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DaveJWI

05-28-2003 10:41:21




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 Re: Re: Ford 4 bottom plow: too big for a 42 hp t in reply to Ed, 05-28-2003 09:17:38  
How about expanding your chart to 5 and 6 bottom plows? I know where there is an Oliver 6-14 plow that can be converted to 5-14 and may be for sale. They used to pull it with an Oliver 2255 and I'm considering it for my Massey Ferguson 1135.



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