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tjw

05-11-2003 03:54:08

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I am currenty mowing (bush hog) my horse pastures to control weeds. There seems to be a lot of quality grass under the tall grass and weeds. I would like to improve the stand. My approach is keeping the pasture short by mowing, possibly applying fertilizer after a soil test, possibly going over with a pasture conditioner.

But what I really want comments on is how to apply more grass seed without plowing up the grass stand I have now. Is this possible, effective, and how do I do it??? What is 'over seeding' and what is 'frost seeding'?

Thank you!

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Scott

05-12-2003 08:50:19

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Re: Pasture Overseed? in reply to tjw, 05-11-2003 03:54:08

Depending on what kind of grass you have in your pasture, you can probably find a selective herbicide that will kill everything but what you want to keep, therefore giving your grass a chance to catch up.

For instance, I use "Alley" on my bermuda fields. It will kill almost anything but bermuda grass and centipede grass.

A good fertilizer dealer/chemical salesman should be able to give you some good advice.

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Scott

05-12-2003 08:50:05

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Re: Pasture Overseed? in reply to tjw, 05-11-2003 03:54:08

For instance, I use "Alley" on my bermuda fields. It will kill almost anything but bermuda grass and centipede grass.

A good fertilizer dealer/chemical salesman should be able to give you some good advice.

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Sandbur

05-11-2003 11:54:41

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Re: Pasture Overseed? in reply to tjw, 05-11-2003 03:54:08

Larry is right. Frost seeding works well. However it is past time for that and horses will not stamp it i like cattle. I am a farm manager for a horse farm, this is what I have done in the past. I will use a disk to open up the sod some without turning it "black" Then I will broadcast seed and depending on the seed I will mix the seed with starter fertilizer. If it is small seed I will broadcast fertilizer and seed seperately. After that I will lightly harrow over it. I have had good luck with this. You don't want to graze or mow your pastures too short. Again Larry is right the shorter the grass the shorter the roots. Grass will generally "choke out" weeds if left longer plus in a dry situation it will help prevent loss of moisture. It is also important to mix cool season and warm season grasses to be beneficial throughout the spring summer and fall. I hope this helps.

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tjw

05-12-2003 03:09:55

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Re: Re: Pasture Overseed? in reply to Sandbur, 05-11-2003 11:54:41

Thanks for that response. Quick question - how short should I be clipping those pastures??

Another question - I've thought about broadcasting a seed and fertilizer mix before. What is a 'starter' fertilizer??

One more question - I know that there are a lot of variables here but what is your horse stocking rate?

Promise - this is the last question - do you put in winter pasture, if so what kind?

Thanks

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larry

05-12-2003 11:23:17

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Re: Re: Re: Pasture Overseed? in reply to tjw, 05-12-2003 03:09:55

after the cattle graze off we cut to about 4 inches rember whats under ground equals whats on top watch amount of moisture and decide if it needs to be done after all if its just a few leave them its not worth the gas i've seen a lot of recreational mowing starter is good but manure if avalible is better use what you have as far as winter pasture goes in wisconsin i just left third crop go and then latter in fall let the cows have it after all whats the differance between dead grass and grass hay except a lot of work and gas also noticed in the spring what little bit i did bale was slower starting and not as good as far as stocking rates are we use portable fencing and if it looks short we just move the fence give them more fresh grass and then bring up the back fence taking them off what the just grazed

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larry

05-11-2003 05:14:05

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Re: Pasture Overseed? in reply to tjw, 05-11-2003 03:54:08

frost seeding is done in early spring and letting tne frost work the seed in overseeding is tossing the seed on top can also use cattle to step it in one thing i have found is the amount of grass on top is equal to the root under the sod and a short root will dry out quicker check lawns people who cut short vs people who let it grow also grass has to be protected a good heavy grass stand will crowd out weeds check roadsides very few thistles there we control our grazing with portable electric fence

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dick

05-11-2003 17:03:39

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Re: Re: Pasture Overseed? in reply to larry, 05-11-2003 05:14:05

try spraing feild with 24D leave grass kills broad leaves

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