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Mac

05-08-2003 11:41:09




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My son and I are also interested in baling hay for our own animals. We have a MF #12 baler and a MF 150 to pull it around. We have access to a sickle bar mower and a rake. My question is this- what is a haybine, a conditioner, a haytender and a crimper? What do they do and how or do they work togather. I know this is pretty elementary for most of you but we don't have a clue.




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JMS/MN

05-08-2003 22:16:08




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 Re: More hobbie hay making questions. in reply to Mac, 05-08-2003 11:41:09  
Haybine is the copyrighted name for the New Holland mower-conditioner. Generic name is a moco- ie, mower/conditioner, which is what all the other brands are, whether sickle bar or disc cutter, with conditioning rolls. It cuts the hay, conditions it, and windrows it. Before mocos, there were sickle mowers, conditioners, and hay rakes. Conditioners were machines that picked up mowed hay and ran it between rollers that would either break the stems or squash them to help to remove the moisture. Tedders were machines (or as with AC, rakes that ran in reverse) that would fluff the windrow to dry them faster. Conditioners and crimpers were the same machine- they broke the stems to allow moisture to escape and help the hay dry faster. Mocos came along in the early seventies, and replaced mowers, conditioners, and rakes.

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Kelly C

05-08-2003 18:25:48




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 Re: More hobbie hay making questions. in reply to Mac, 05-08-2003 11:41:09  
Mac
I am by no means a hay expert. This will be my 1st year haying.
Here is a web site that I found to be very helpful.



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Hmmm... Link didnt post--Kelly C

05-08-2003 18:27:49




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 Re: Re: More hobbie hay making questions. in reply to Kelly C, 05-08-2003 18:25:48  
http://www.sheepscreek.com/rural/haying.html
Here is the URL just in case it does not post a link.



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Bill

05-08-2003 14:16:53




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 Re: More hobbie hay making questions. in reply to Mac, 05-08-2003 11:41:09  
What I am courous about is the want to keep the leaf intact, like clover, and not knock it off the hay. It seems to me that the more one handles the hay, via haybine, tedder, etc., the less quality and content the hay would have once baled. Can someone comment on this?

I am interested in a sickle bar and I think I have setteled on a 3 point ground speed driven rake - not because they are the most desired, but because they are old and interesting.

Bill

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paul

05-08-2003 19:31:30




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 Re: Re: More hobbie hay making questions. in reply to Bill, 05-08-2003 14:16:53  
To keep the most leaves on, you _need_ the Haybine or Mower/Conditioner (same machine, different copyrights :). It cuts the clover, crimps (breaks) the stems, and throws it into a fluffy windrow. This gives your clover the best chance of drying out without being handled more than needed.

Where I live, clover is really miserable to dry out with just a sickle mower. The leaves dry up & get brittle, but the stems stay green & juicy. By the time you rake it enough times to dry it, the leaves are all gone.

Mo/Co it, let it fall into a very wide windrow. Rake it the next day. Hope for some breezes & sun, rake it again in the morning dew, and bale that afternoon. That's the best hope for clover _here_. In the arid west things are _way_ different, and in the humid south or east tedders are more popular.

Here our best hay is alfalfa, and to make quality stuff & keep the leaves, you need to use a mo/co-haybine, or cut & immeadiatly crimp it. Then problably rake it once.

For actual grass hay, a sickle mower works fine, the grass dries out pretty good without the crimping step, altho it does help.

--->Paul

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Tom A

05-08-2003 16:15:46




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 Re: Re: More hobbie hay making questions. in reply to Bill, 05-08-2003 14:16:53  
True, the more you handle it, the more opportunity for leaf to shatter off. But things like tedders and crimpers can save you time and in some cases, let you make hay when otherwise you couldn't.

For example, I have a lowland field that grows nice hay no matter what. Even in drought years it grows. But if I just mow and rake, it won't dry no matter how long it lays there. Even if it feels dry it will mold after it is baled. So a crimper to crush stems helps (they say it will cut drying time by 30%), and then tedding it once to let the air flow through the windrows a little more lets me get the hay I wouldn't ordinarily be able to. First quality? Nah, but my goats like it and it beats nothing.

Tom A

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Dan

05-08-2003 12:39:40




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 Re: More hobbie hay making questions. in reply to Mac, 05-08-2003 11:41:09  
The sickle maower and rake should do the job for ya. A Haybine a combination of mower, rake and usually conditioner. It cuts the hay, crimps the stocks and puts it in a windrow. Usually pull type as the self propels are called swathers. Believe the Haybine may have beena New Holland name. A conditioner crimps the stocks of inother words breaks the outer layer every so often along the stock of hay, it helps the hay to dry more quickly. A crimper is basically the same thing. A hay tedder stirrs up the windrow or the mower swath. It fluffs the hay so air will get through and help it dry. Where I live the guys use "fluffers" that do this to windrows as thery are large windrows and do not dry very quickly.

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