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Steve450

04-22-2003 16:31:00




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Hi all. We are going to try our hand at corn this year and was wondering, how many of you use Roundup Ready seed. A few people I know have used it and have seen good results. We are doing 6 acers and have already bought seed. Is there anything I should know about roundup ready? Also,for future reference, what other alternatives are there to control weeds aside from roundup or cultivating? The roundup seed is $15.00 more a bushel than non rounup, but as I see it, thats time and gas in the tractor that we are saving. We are in central Pa and are planing to pick it for ear corn.Thanks.

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tim[in]

04-24-2003 02:24:20




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 Re: Roundup ready corn in reply to Steve450, 04-22-2003 16:31:00  
dont forget about the pollen drift. neighbors who have certified organic crops may not like it when their crops are contaminated and their crops are ruined.some farmers have been sued who never planted rr crops. but this stuff drifts and contaminates their crops and whether they know it or not find them selves getting sued by monsanto because it drifted into their fields. makes a lot of sense. someone destroys your crops value and sues you !! that is their thinking and monsanto has managed to buy themselves a law which allows them to do it. personally i wont plant or use any monsanto products!one farmer who raises open pollinated seed corn lost half of their business when the pollin drifted and was found in the seed corn. by the why do you know that monsanto and dupont control a vast majority of the seed corn business in the us?some farmers havnt planted as much of the rr corn because for them it didnt yield as well.

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dd

04-22-2003 20:32:14




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 Re: Roundup ready corn in reply to Steve450, 04-22-2003 16:31:00  
Round-up Corn will be as good of an option as any especially on 6 acres. Just make sure that you have a good enough stand to form a canopy of corn leaves to keep future weeds from germinating since round-up doesn't have any residual effects.



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TP from Central PA

04-22-2003 17:50:10




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 Re: Roundup ready corn in reply to Steve450, 04-22-2003 16:31:00  
Well, we have always bought Fielder's Choice 95+ and have had great resaults.....We try to cultivate twice. It just seems to make the corn jump....Last year I got two fields done twice and the other two weren't because of all the rain we were getting. The fields that had the 2nd cultivation out yeilded the fields that only had one, again this is our experience. I know some who grow it...Call Eck's to spray Round-up. They like it but I guess I just like to cultivate....Seems like it is a lost art.

Oh, other forms of weed control.....hmmmm, We spray some fields with 2-4D(using a 4 wheeler and 20 gal. tank with a boom)..... Helps get some of the weeds out from between the corn.

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Steve450

04-22-2003 19:14:06




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 Re: Re: Roundup ready corn in reply to TP from Central PA, 04-22-2003 17:50:10  
TP, I gather that you can spray 2-4D AFTER you plant? I admit, I don't know alot about it except what I've been told and what I've found on the net. We just figured roundup because of not haveing time to cultivate and not haveing cultivators to do so:) BTW, how's the 706 running? Are you getting your plowing done? We did two 3 acre contour strips for corn and are going to till the rest in the fall to seed hay.
Probably going to seed in what Doeblers calls "hay mix". It's a mix of grasses and clover. We have one field of good grass hay to bale this year (about 4 ac.) and about 6 ac to seed in the fall so we should stay about as busy as we can handle for a while!!

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TP from Central PA

04-23-2003 09:56:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Roundup ready corn in reply to Steve450, 04-22-2003 19:14:06  
Yeah, we spray 2-4D if it is needed as soon as the corn will almost be knocked down by the 4 wheeler..... .I must admit that it doesn't take long to spray 25-30 acres of corn with a 4 wheeler. Are you going to spray it yourself? Might want to consider this if you have a 4 wheeler.

I haven't ran the 706 since I drove it home....My buddy has been working on and with it so I can't say whether I like it or not....He said he plowed for the neighbors with our 4-14 IH 540's and he said he was running low 4th direct.....I know when I get my hands on it I am going High first!!!!!

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paul

04-23-2003 05:42:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Roundup ready corn in reply to Steve450, 04-22-2003 19:14:06  
RR soybeans are a good deal. Hard to get all the weeds in a soybean field, & the conventional chemicals used to be very expensive.

Never understood RR corn tho. There are some most excellent corn chemicals & tank mixes that are pretty cheap, and give season-long control to both broadleaves & grasses.

Roundup you will probably have to spray a couple of times, as it does nothing to control new sprouts.

Some conventional corn sprays give good results if sprayed before the 5th leaf appears, and some can be applied up to ~2 feet tall. Then you can get drop nozzles and spray tassled corn if you want.

24D is cheap to control broadleaves, Banvil/Clarity (similar product, different name) is very good on broadleaves, hard on taller corn.

There are many pre-mixed products that also have a grass control in them.

Post-spraying has become very popular, you will find more chemicals to spray after planting than before these days.

Liberty Link is an alternative to RR, it was a naturally occuring corn that doesn't die to that particular chemical, while most weeds do.

On a personal note I do not like signing away my soul to the company licencing the RR technology. If you read all that fine print, you find you have already admited to being guilty, & what your fines will be, at the whim of the company. Really the same thing on all the software we buy now a days - companies have found they can get around consumer protection laws & control the customer with licencing agreements instead of outright sales.

My rant for the day, don't mean to turn this political, you have a good question & want facts, not rants. :)

--->Paul

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dhermesc

04-23-2003 06:28:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Roundup ready corn in reply to paul, 04-23-2003 05:42:42  
Its my understanding a couple big farmers in Illinois got into a lot a trouble when they kept back some RR corn and used it for seed. Monsanto(?) came down on them with both feet.



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paul

04-23-2003 10:37:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Roundup ready corn in reply to dhermesc, 04-23-2003 06:28:10  
I would guess they kept RR soybeans - hybred seed corn does not grow right if you save it for seed the next year! :)

And it's wrong to keep seed if you buy the stuff & agree to their terms. I happen to agree with the company on that one.

Just the many extra clauses to the whole tech agreement that bother me - and it's perpetual nature. Mostly that the grower is totally responsible for anything that goes wrong with the technology, but the seller gets all the benifits...

Anyhow, enough from me on this! Sorry. Just wanted to clear up that I believe it is wrong to save RR seed - most of the rest of the agreement is what bothers me. :)

--->Paul

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Alvin NE WI

04-23-2003 18:38:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Roundup ready corn in reply to paul, 04-23-2003 10:37:45  
Why agree with monsonto? Didn't they get a good share of the patent smarts from the land grant universty's to engineer the rr beans? They are another one of thr biggies that screw the American farmer but good. With the poor price paid the the bean growers, they need every break to be gotton. I would plant the seed also. You pay big bucks the first time around and no guarantee it will grow..



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paul

04-24-2003 06:02:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Roundup ready corn in reply to Alvin NE WI, 04-23-2003 18:38:07  
There's probably a difference on 'moral' and 'legal' concepts here. :)

Legally the only way to get RR seed is to buy new seed, and the only way to buy new seed is to sign the tech agreement and signing that you agree to _not_ save seed.

So, it is wrong to try to 'brown bag' or save RR seed.

A seperate issue is whether it is moral for the seed companies to be able to control that in the first place - currently it is legal for them to do so in the USA.

In any event, 2 wrongs wouldn't make a right, and so it is both morally & legally wrong for a farmer to save RR seeds. The choice is whether to grow RR products or not. No question, you can't save the seed.

That legal part has some _big_ fines with it, and they are agressively enforced in the USA.

Don't save RR seeds.

Very similar issues with computer software - Microsoft started the whole licencing idea - and also now in music & movie sales, where they are trying to sell you limited use of the goods, not the goods themselves.

Going to be interesting times while these issues sort themselves out. Old consumer protection laws don't apply. What happens if Microsoft decides not to (or is unable to) authenticate your Windows XP? We have no recourse at all. For their benifit, these seed & software companies are retaining ownership of the goods. However, they are assigning all negatives, errors, and potential lawsuits to the end users through their licencing agreements. We end up buying nothing, but liable for any problems that crop up - in this increasingly lawsuit-happy society. The companies retain all benifits, control, & ownership, but the end-user gets all the risk.

Such a deal, eh?

--->Paul

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dhermesc

04-23-2003 11:19:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Roundup ready corn in reply to paul, 04-23-2003 10:37:45  
Your probably right about it being soybeans and not corn. Those stories get turned a little further from the truth everytime they are told, and I'm not helping repeating something I heard over a year ago.



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JMS/MN

04-23-2003 23:09:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Roundup ready corn in reply to dhermesc, 04-23-2003 11:19:40  
It is most definitely cases of brown-bagging soybean seed, not corn. If you plant kernels of corn grown from hybrid seed, it will grow a miserable crop, but soybeans grown from commercial or public varieties will grow a comparable yield- that's why farmers brown bag.



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