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One bottom IH plow, again..

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FM

04-12-2003 19:27:53




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I was looking through the Photos of Implements on this fine site, and I found a picture of a plow exactly like the one bottom I am looking at. Any Idea on model?


Mike




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jim

04-17-2003 09:21:45




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 Re: One bottom IH plow, again.. in reply to FM, 04-12-2003 19:27:53  
See picture of No.8 Tractor Plow "beams & braces" for 18" Sulky Plow. This is a one furrow tractor plow.



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JIM

04-15-2003 06:38:23




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 Re: One bottom IH plow, again.. in reply to FM, 04-12-2003 19:27:53  
The plow in the photo is an IH No.8 Sulky Plow.
It came with the tail wheel shown. It is in an IH PO parts catalog.
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Hugh MacKay again

04-16-2003 16:12:32




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 Re: Re: One bottom IH plow, again.. in reply to JIM, 04-15-2003 06:38:23  
Jim: I would like at this time to publicly apologize to you for suggesting you may have been drinking when you called the plow in photo a No. 8 sulky Your photo of manuals clearly indicates the No.8 Little Genius, was also refered to as a sulky plow. Again my apologies.

For the rest of you guys involved in this discussion, Jim's parts book clearly indicates there was indeed a No. 8 single bottom plow, or Little Genius. The picture Jim has sent to me shows the plow beams in relation to tail wheel hardware as well as the linkage going to front wheels. I have suggested that since these are his pictures he should do the honours of posting.

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Hugh MacKay

04-15-2003 10:37:19




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 Re: Re: One bottom IH plow, again.. in reply to JIM, 04-15-2003 06:38:23  
Jim: I just took another look at photo, what are you drinking?



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jim

04-14-2003 04:40:29




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 Re: One bottom IH plow, again.. in reply to FM, 04-12-2003 19:27:53  
I have a parts catalog for the No.3 and could copy it for you if you enail me.
Jim



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Hugh MacKay

04-13-2003 04:23:09




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 Re: One bottom IH plow, again.. in reply to FM, 04-12-2003 19:27:53  
FM: No question plow in photo is a Little Genius. My dad had a 2 furrow No.8. The items however exactly are tail wheel, linkage along top of plow that causes tail wheel to lift rear of plow. The front wheels and lift clutch are the same as are the depth and levelling levers.

Having said all this the Little Wonder plow is also exactly the same except it has no tail wheel, thus no linkage along top of plow. I does have a bar from front of tongue to top of plow frame, that designed to make plow rigid so back will lift without tail wheel.

One other item I notice in book 150 Years of IH, of the several pictures all Little Genius have trip hitch and Little Wonder don't. Little wonder was clearly just a cheap model to compete with other cheap plows. They lift much like a three point plow, straight up and down. All trailer plows with lifting tail wheel glided into soil as linkage to tail wheel was designed so front of plow lifted and lowered ahead of tail wheel. This is precicely why the Little Genius was so popular, whether it was 2, 3, or 4 bottom a good plowman could put down a chaulk line across furrows at beginning or end of field and line would touch every furrow at the end. No question, in our area at least Little Genius was Cadillac of plows.

The book I am using 150 Years of IH great reference except for items he omits, which is quite clearly not much. He doesn't show in picture or print a single furrow little genius. I expect there was enough demand in some areas of country that IH did infact build one. If you look at pictures side by side, it would be very easy to convert a Little Wonder into a Little Genius, so these single bottom plows with tail wheel could have indeed been created by dealers. The tail wheel really has no benefit on a single furrow plow as it's only function was to give multi- bottom plows same entry and exit point on all bottoms.

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Ken K

04-14-2003 20:42:10




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 Re: Re: One bottom IH plow, again.. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-13-2003 04:23:09  
I don't know about a single bottom plow with a rear wheel but I would guess the rear wheel would do the same same thing as it does on a multi bottom plow. The rear wheel is adjusted to keep the heel of the plow bottom from the furrow wall. Here is how the rear wheel should be adjusted from my owners manual for the Little Genius #8 Tractor Plow.

TO ADJUST THE REAR WHEEL The heel of the rear plow bottom (with long landside and heel casting) should run LIGHTLY on bottom of furrow and should not carry the full downward pressure from rear end of plow. The amount of wight carried on the heel can be determined by observing the bottom of the furrow (in front of rear wheel) to see the impression left by the heel casting. When the plow is adjusted properly, the impression left by the heel casting in bottom of furrow will be bartely visible.

The heel of the plow can be raised or lowered by means of set screw in rear axle control arm. To make an adjustment, loosen lock nut on set screw and loosen bolt in rear axle control arm, turn set screw to the right to raise the heel of the plow, or the the lift to lower it. Be sure to tighten lock nut and bolt after making an adjustment.

The rear wheel should be set so that the heel of the rear plow bottom will run about 1/4" to 3/8" away from the furrow wall. When rear wheel is set at the proper angle, the landside will not be forced against the furrow wall which causes excessive draft on the plow.

To adjust, loosen lock nut on rear wheel control rod; turn rear wheel stop to the right to move heel of rear plow bottom closer to the furrow wall, or to the left to move the plow bottom away from the furrow wall. Be sure to tighten lock nut after making an adjustment.

I hope this gives you a little insight on what the rear wheel does on the IH Little Genius plow. I put a new rear tire on my Little Genius so I had to make these adjustments to the rear wheel on my #8 when I started to plow with it last fall.

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Ken K

04-14-2003 20:36:49




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 Re: Re: One bottom IH plow, again.. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-13-2003 04:23:09  
I don't know about a single bottom plow with a rear wheel but I would guess the rear wheel would do the same same thing as it does on a multi bottom plow. The rear wheel is adjusted to keep the heel of the plow bottom from the furrow wall. Here is how the rear wheel should be adjusted from my owners manual for the Little Genius #8 Tractor Plow.

TO ADJUST THE REAR WHEEL The heel of the rear plow bottom (with long landside and heel casting) should run LIGHTLY on bottom of furrow and should not carry the full downward pressure from rear end of plow. The amount of wight carried on the heel can be determined by observing the bottom of the furrow (in front of rear wheel) to see the impression left by the heel casting. When the plow is adjusted properly, the impression left by the heel casting in bottom of furrow will be bartely visible.

The heel of the plow can be raised or lowered by means of set screw in rear axle control arm. To make an adjustment, loosen lock nut on set screw and loosen bolt in rear axle control arm, turn set screw to the right to raise the heel of the plow, or the the lift to lower it. Be sure to tighten lock nut and bolt after making an adjustment.

The rear wheel should be set so that the heel of the rear plow bottom will run about 1/4" to 3/8" away from the furrow wall. When rear wheel is set at the proper angle, the landside will not be forced against the furrow wall which causes excessive draft on the plow.

To adjust, loosen lock nut on rear wheel control rod; turn rear wheel stop to the right to move heel of rear plow bottom closer to the furrow wall, or to the left to move the plow bottom away from the furrow wall. Be sure to tighten lock nut after making an adjustment.

I hope this gives you a little insight on what the rear wheel does on the IH Little Genius plow. I put a new rear tire on my Little Genius so I had to make these adjustments to the rear wheel on my #8 when I started to plow with it last fall.

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Hugh MacKay

04-15-2003 04:50:36




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 Re: Re: Re: One bottom IH plow, again.. in reply to Ken K , 04-14-2003 20:36:49  
Ken: I don't think anyone will question the settings of the tail wheel. However you must remember there are, as well as have been, many plows out there working without a tail wheel. What you claim is precicely why it must be adjusted properly. However the prime reason for it being on there was to give the plow more even entry into and out of soil. On all trailer plows with lifting tail wheel the front of plow both raises and lowers ahead of the rear giving that smooth even entry to and exit from soil. This fact is even more important 3,4 and 5 bottom plows. This is also precicely why semi-mount plows became very popular. You could lift the front of plow higher and quicker coming out of soil. On the move with a 5 bottom semi-mount on a Farmall You pull your 3 point lever first then lever for tail wheel lift cylinder. 3 point will go to full height before rear wheel starts to lift. I had one of these 5 bottom semi-mounts and I could leave furrow ends just as neat as any No. 8 Little Genius 2 bottom plow. I could do this plowing 5 acres per hour.

As for actual plowing an extra long land side as seen on most mounted plows will give same benefit as a properly adjusted tail wheel. That is precicely why your tail wheel must be properly adjusted, as because it is there you can't use a long landside. The lifting tail wheel whether it be trailer or semi-mount was put there primarily to give smooth entry to and exit from soil on multi- bottom plows. Nothing else.

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Ric Ks.

04-14-2003 10:07:47




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 Re: Re: One bottom IH plow, again.. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-13-2003 04:23:09  
Hugh, I'm no expert for sure but I've seen more plows with bottoms removed than extras like a tail wheel added. When hard soil or sod was encountered and sometimes when the engine was tired and no cash to overhaul many a 3b became 2b or a 2b became a single. Dirt around here plows hard and more than one man moved here and had to go to a smaller plow. Just a guess.



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Hugh MacKay

04-14-2003 15:39:21




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 Re: Re: Re: One bottom IH plow, again.. in reply to Ric Ks., 04-14-2003 10:07:47  
Ric: I agree with what you say, plus there have been many many good reasons for modifications. This continant is quite large with many varried soil conditions, And those corperate engineers didn't always get it right.

I will gve you an example. Ten years ago I wanted a rotary hoe and I wanted it 6 to 7 feet wide for use on my Farmall 130 with single point fast hitch Problem was and still is no one builds a rotary hoe smaller than 15' and 3 point hitch. A friend and I went to John Deere dealer and bought a new model 400 - 15' rotary hoe. My friend has a well equiped shop. Since the John Deere rotary hoe is made up on a 4" x 4" square tubing 15' long, and there are 2 - 4' and 2 - 3.5' sections that clamp to the 4" tubing. We cut that tube at the 7-8' mark, bingo I had a 7' and my friend an 8' rotary hoe. He put the 3 point mounting brackets on his 8', and in his shop made up a single point fast hitch mount for me. I know of that being done 3 more times since with John Deere rotary hoes. That means there are 4 - 7' and 4 - 8' model 400 rotary hoes out there that on paper don't exist. I am sure that one, will send some of the purests scratching their heads 50 - 60 years from now. The words John Deere and number 400 are on each one. They don't have serial numbers.

I have another project in the making, soon as I find a suitable IH 530 or 540 14" semi-mount plow. I am going to cut it down and make a 2 x 14 single point fast hitch sem-mount plow for my Farmall 130 or 140. I will also make a single bottom mounted plow for my SA.

I just advised a guy on how to cut a heavy frame, heavy arbor, wheel controlled disc from 13', down to about 6.5'. He has a good disc for his Super C. It is rugged and has the weight to cut without loading with weight.

I could go on all night, as I finish one probably would think of another. Don't ever think for one minute new machines have not been cut up and modified. Some of the most inovative people out there have been farmers with the courage to cut a new machine into two pieces.

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FM

04-13-2003 06:07:54




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 Re: Re: One bottom IH plow, again.. in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-13-2003 04:23:09  
Thanks, Hugh. I still don't understand why I can't find any literature on it, though.


Mike



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Hugh MacKay

04-13-2003 08:25:09




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 Re: Re: Re: One bottom IH plow, again.. in reply to FM, 04-13-2003 06:07:54  
FM: May be Wendel didn't omit the Little Genius one bottom from his book. If you had a picture of the Little Wonder one bottom beside that Little Genius and compare. Very little difference in plow frame structure. A can see a tail wheel and lift linkage plus a trip tongue from a Little Genius being added to a Little Wonder and would be hard to tell them apart. This was the reason for my suggestion that all of these Little Genius one bottom plows were indeed dealer add on. Just a thought, and it wouldn't the only time in farm equipment history some ingenius dealer came up with an idea that sold well.

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Hugh MacKay

04-13-2003 08:23:54




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 Re: Re: Re: One bottom IH plow, again.. in reply to FM, 04-13-2003 06:07:54  
FM: May be Wendel didn't omit the Little Genius one bottom from his book. If you had a picture of the Little Wonder one bottom beside that Little Genius and compare. Very little difference in plow frame structure. A can see a tail wheel and lift linkage plus a trip tongue from a Little Genius being added to a Little Wonder and would be hard to tell them apart. This was the reason for my suggestion that all of these Little Genius one bottom plows were indeed dealer add on. Just a thought, and it wouldn't the only time in farm equipment history some ingenius dealer came up with an idea that sold well.

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Old Iron

04-13-2003 07:03:48




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 Re: Re: Re: One bottom IH plow, again.. in reply to FM, 04-13-2003 06:07:54  
FM,

You trying to find a manual?

Old Iron



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FM

04-13-2003 09:20:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: One bottom IH plow, again.. in reply to Old Iron, 04-13-2003 07:03:48  
Well, kinda. If I buy the plows I would like to have it. I don't imagine it'll say anything different than the one for 2 and 3 bottom #8 little geniuses, but I kinda try to have manuals for everything I have.

Mike



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mike in mn

04-16-2003 21:40:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: One bottom IH plow, again.. in reply to FM, 04-13-2003 09:20:42  
the manual for a two bottom little genius no. 8 would be the same one you would use for the One bottom little genius.



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