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#4 HORSE DRAWN MOWER

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jimmy stwart

04-11-2003 23:00:43




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TODAY I BOUGHT A #4 HORSE DRAWN MOWER. RESTORING IT. WONDER ABOUT AGE AND VALUE? jIMMY




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Horsemad

05-11-2006 21:22:31




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 Re: #4 HORSE DRAWN MOWER in reply to jimmy stwart, 04-11-2003 23:00:43  
Go to the Small Farmer's Journal website and you will find some books on old horse mowers. You can get manuals for $10 for the most common models. Pitmans and most other parts can be found if you follow their links.
The dolly wheels are called a ''tongue truck'', they were used to lighten the weight of the tongue on the horses.
I'm not sure, but I think IH is the same as McCormick Deering. I'm restoring a McD #7. There are lots of people who still use those old mowers. Most of the demand for good ones is for McD #9s and JD #4s which are said to be the best. A #9 is worth at least $450 if in working order.

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jarhead

12-01-2005 06:18:10




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 Re: #4 HORSE DRAWN MOWER in reply to jimmy stwart, 04-11-2003 23:00:43  
I have a line on a horsedrawn mower. Haven't seen it yet; just a picture. Can't really tell too much about the condition. The guy wants $250.

Is this price reasonable... if it's restorable?

Thanks



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Mesa Mike

11-20-2005 11:28:01




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 Re: #4 HORSE DRAWN MOWER in reply to jimmy stwart, 04-11-2003 23:00:43  
I hope you guys don't mind if I step in with a few questions of my own. I have recently acquired a 5' sickle bar horse drawn mower and want to restore it. All the wooden parts are gone and I need to know what they looked like/dimensions in order to restore. It looks like there was a set of dolly wheels on a six foot tongue and then a longer tongue for the horses. It is a McCormick New 4 mower. Right now I am looking for what the basic setup was of the tongue(s). I am not sure the dolly wheels are even for it. If you can help With any documentation, books, pictures, websites it would be greatly appreciated, even if you have a basic idea of what it looked like. Thanks, Mike...

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Ralph E. Wimmer

08-29-2005 20:11:46




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 Re: #4 HORSE DRAWN MOWER in reply to jimmy stwart, 04-11-2003 23:00:43  
I guess I am in the same boat as you, I just bougtht a #2 horse drawn mower and don't know anything about it. Looking for age, How long the original tongue was and what it was made out of. The axle on the drive side is broken but that poses no real problem for me.



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Okla/Kans Bill

04-12-2003 12:35:07




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 Re: #4 HORSE DRAWN MOWER in reply to jimmy stwart, 04-11-2003 23:00:43  

I believe, when I was in high school, I saw an #4 MD mower. it had a wooden lifting handle. Am I right?



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Old Iron

04-13-2003 06:57:34




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 Re: Re: #4 HORSE DRAWN MOWER in reply to Okla/Kans Bill, 04-12-2003 12:35:07  
Bill,

You are right. McCormick did have a Model 4 horse mower. The Little 4 was the one horse mower that was made from 1889 to 1901, the New 4 was from 1896 to 1915 and the New Big 4 was from 1898 to 1915.

Old Iron



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Hugh MacKay

04-13-2003 09:36:50




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 Re: Re: Re: #4 HORSE DRAWN MOWER in reply to Old Iron, 04-13-2003 06:57:34  
Old Iron: I think if we knew the make. it would help a lot, I'm willing to bet most companies had a No. 4 mower. I know both Massey and Cockshutt used low single digit numbers on mowers. I guess if Mr Stuart wants to just sit back and watch he will not find out much.



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Old Iron

04-13-2003 20:13:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: #4 HORSE DRAWN MOWER in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-13-2003 09:36:50  
Hugh,

True but I was just answering a question for Bill about the McCormick line.

Old Iron



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Old Iron

04-12-2003 09:52:31




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 Re: #4 HORSE DRAWN MOWER in reply to jimmy stwart, 04-11-2003 23:00:43  
Jimmy,

Are you talking about the John Deere Big 4 mower? If you are let me know. I have a ton of info on them.

Old Iron



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MEME

03-19-2005 22:41:54




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 Re: Re: #4 HORSE DRAWN MOWER in reply to Old Iron, 04-12-2003 09:52:31  
Old Iron,
I would like some information on the John Deere # 4. I have just recently started to research this particular mower. Any info you could give me would be appreciated.

MEME



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Pat

04-22-2003 07:39:11




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 Re: Re: #4 HORSE DRAWN MOWER in reply to Old Iron, 04-12-2003 09:52:31  
Hey Old Iron I am looking for info on the JD Big 4 Mower. I just pulled one out of some woods and would like to see a pic or anything on it.



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Hugh MacKay

04-12-2003 08:14:52




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 Re: #4 HORSE DRAWN MOWER in reply to jimmy stwart, 04-11-2003 23:00:43  
Jimmy: #4 will be the model number,what make is it. I have some info on some makes. The mowers I have best info on are IH, however even within IH there was more than one #4 coming from companies such as McCormick, Osborne, Deering, etc. I can tell you this most will be 100 years old. Give me a bit more info, will see what I can come up with.



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Jim Walden

08-06-2003 12:05:10




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 Re: Re: #4 HORSE DRAWN MOWER in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-12-2003 08:14:52  
I just picked up a mower, and am also looking for information.

It is an IH New 4. The IH symbol and the "New 4" are both cast onto the main axle tube on the top. It is about 4 feet wide with a 5-6 foot mower. It has cast iron (I think) wheels.

The mower is frozen, as it has been painted and used as a lawn ornament. I want to get it working, and plan to use it to mow the driveway at my hunting property. Does anyone have any info on the mower? Possibly a way to get an owner's manual?

Thanks

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Jim Walden

09-15-2003 10:53:05




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 Re: Re: Re: #4 HORSE DRAWN MOWER in reply to Jim Walden, 08-06-2003 12:05:10  
I got a manual from the University of Wisconsin. They have a lot of Cyrus McCormick archive files. Based some part numbers that I gave them, mine was built between 1911 and 1913. The archives are a great resource!

We have the mower working, with a few parts left to install.



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