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Need IH Fast Hitch plow identified and alignment to tractor advice

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Ray in Pa.

04-02-2003 20:31:14




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I got a IH Fast Hitch 2 bottom plow that I wanted to have identified and I'm not sure if it will work right on my Farmall 300 tractor. The plow that I want to have identified has a number IH 518002R1 located on the back part of the right plow beam. It also has a large horizontal spring on top and steel trailing depth wheel. It also has 2 1/2" thick x 1" wide prongs for the hitch. I bought the plow before I found a Fast Hitch for my tractor and I am now in the process of getting ready to put the Fast Hitch on my tractor and have two possible problems. The one problem I see is that the prongs are the wrong size for my Fast Hitch, and I was wondering if there might be a way to make up the difference with out welding spaces for I wanted to keep the plows original if possible. The second problem is that these plows dont seem like they will have enough adjustment to the right for my Farmall 300. It looks like the digging part of the plow only extends about another 6" out beyond the right hitch prong of which is still at the very least 21 inches short of the inside of rear tire. NOTE; They are suppose to be 16" plows but the plows also look like the plows them self may be adjusted to far apart and could miss a strip and maybe are really 14" or so if adjusted right. So I figure that even figuring in the previous plowed furrow of say 14", I still would be a good 7" to 9" too short and it will probably leave my tractor tire 7" to 9" too far to the right of the previous plowed furrow. I was wondering how this could be corrected or if maybe I could lock the Fast Hitch to the right with out causing any harm to the hitch or plow to pick up a few inches. I also should mention that my rear tire's are 6" out from the axle housing and I don't want to move them in any closer due to some of the plowing being done on hilly areas. I'm open to all suggestions and advice.

Thanks, Ray in Pa.

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Hugh MacKay

04-03-2003 18:20:59




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 Re: Need IH Fast Hitch plow identified and alignment to tractor advice in reply to Ray in Pa., 04-02-2003 20:31:14  
Ray: All two point fast hitch plows will work on 300 fast hitch, as long as you can pull them. One problem with 2 furrow is, you may have to narrow your rear wheels in. The reason I haven't posted all day is I have a chart somewhere that tells minamum and maximum distance from inside of rear tire to center line of tractor. This measurment is different for 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 bottom Width of bottom can also affect the measurment.

I can't seem to put my hands on this chart. It is in desk somewhere. I will quote some of what I remember from memory. 5 x 16 plow requires 84" center to center rear tires, 4 x 16 is 72" centers, 3 x 16 will be near 66" centers and 2 x 16 will be 56" to 60" centers. If and when I find the exact figures I will post them. The chart does not deal in center to center but rather , inside of rear tire to center line of tractor.

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JWH

04-03-2003 16:53:01




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 Re: Need IH Fast Hitch plow identified and alignment to tractor advice in reply to Ray in Pa., 04-02-2003 20:31:14  
My super c plow has that # on the right beam but the beams are probably used on different plows. I'm not sure where your getting the 2 1/2 " measurement, mine is 2 1/2 at the stop on the rear of the point and 1" wide. It's a # C-20 plow I think. You could probably use the filler plates under the hitch points.



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Tractor Dan

04-03-2003 04:18:53




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 Re: Need IH Fast Hitch plow identified and alignment to tractor advice in reply to Ray in Pa., 04-02-2003 20:31:14  
it sounds like you have the correct plow for the tractor ih made 2 sizes of the fast hitch and 2 sizes of the prong the larger fasthitch stuff was for the 300,350,400,450, ect the smaller stuff for the super C, 200,230 ect it sounds like the fast hitch you have is off the smaller tractors and the plows you have is off the larger ones not sure if that fast hich will work or not but the plows on the other hand you measure leagth of molboard to get size ,the plows dont go all the way to the right that way once you have plowed one furrow the next time your right side tires set into the rolled over furrow i hope this helps if have any more questions email me good luck

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Bob McCammon

04-02-2003 23:16:48




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 Re: Need IH Fast Hitch plow identified and alignment to tractor advice in reply to Ray in Pa., 04-02-2003 20:31:14  
IH made shims that would slide into your sockets that allowed using the smaller prongs. A roll pin kept them from sliding out the front. You may have to moved the right wheel in as close as possible. IH made different points for the same bottoms that were either regular, undercut or overcut. You may have some undercut shears on your bottoms. Good luck. Bob



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Ray in Pa.

04-03-2003 20:51:16




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 Re: Re: Need IH Fast Hitch plow identified and alignment to tractor advice in reply to Bob McCammon, 04-02-2003 23:16:48  
Thanks everyone for the information, When I bought my plows, I was told that these plows had been used on a smaller Farmall tractor and that these plows seemed to be too hard to pull using their tractor of which I had assumed they must of been made for a larger tractor. Since I had been currently using an old Little Genius (14") 2 bottom trailer type plow, I decided to buy these particular Fast Hitch plows because they where much heavier built than the Little Genius plows I'm using now and that I had been planning on adding the Fast Hitch to my tractor. I never realized at that time IH had so different sizes on their plows and I probably should of went with the 3 bottom size. Actually I had been looking for a 3 bottom Fast Hitch plow and then I found these first. Maybe I'll find someone that will trade a 3 bottom for a two bottom plow. I guess for now I will do like Bob McCammon's post suggested about using shims in the sockets and to check the tire setting like Hugh was saying. I think JWH's post is probably right about the model of my plow since his plow sounds like the same model. I also never new about different shears sizes used on the bottoms and I'll have to measure the length of mine, Oh well.

Thanks, Ray in Pa.

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Hugh MacKay

04-04-2003 14:30:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Need IH Fast Hitch plow identified and alignment to tractor advice in reply to Ray in Pa., 04-03-2003 20:51:16  
Ray: Those measurments I mentioned were just aprox. You were probably able to get away with not adhereing to those rules on trailer plow, it being further from tractor, and you can just shift drawbar to compensate. Since 2 furrows is not a heavy load for 300 you wouldn't notice the side draft.

Your mounted plow however being much closer to tractor, and that hitch can only move so far, only other option is move the wheel. That is main reason old timers liked their trailer plows, they wanted their Farmalls at 72" centers for better stability, and 36" corn rows.

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Ray in Pa.

04-04-2003 21:52:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Need IH Fast Hitch plow identified and alignment to tractor advice in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-04-2003 14:30:29  
Thanks Hugh, Just like you mentioned, Your exactly right of how I was plowing with my trailer plow, and that I was able to adjust the drawbar tongue over to the right to achieve correct alignment. I also understand what you mean about the side draft load trying to twist the tractor, but usually I don't have too much of a problem with it. Your also right about the rear wheel spacing and why its done that way, I also have been using my tractor with them set for the 36" corn rows. I guess my only options for using the Fast Hitch for plowing is to either buy a 3 bottom plow (probably wouldn't find one in time for this years plowing), adjust the wheels in, or maybe as a last resort, do the unthinkable and cut the prongs off and weld them back on with more off set. The problem's with this last idea is that I probably would ruin the value of the plows and I'm not sure if the Fast Hitch's main casting mounts could take the extra side load twist if I off set them another 7" to 9".

Thanks, Ray in Pa.

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JWH

04-05-2003 20:08:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Need IH Fast Hitch plow identified and alignment to tractor advice in reply to Ray in Pa., 04-04-2003 21:52:08  
Ray in Pa. Don't take a torch and a welder to that plow. I don't have any thing to plow & paid $250 for mine just because I thought it would look good hanging on the tractor at the threshing show. That 2 pt. stuff is getting hard to find.



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JWH

04-05-2003 20:07:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Need IH Fast Hitch plow identified and alignment to tractor advice in reply to Ray in Pa., 04-04-2003 21:52:08  
Ray in Pa. Don't take a torch and a welder to that plow. I don't have any thing to plow & paid $250 for mine just because I thought it would look good hanging on the tractor at the threshing show. That 2 pt. stuff is getting hard to find.



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Tim(nj)

04-05-2003 14:57:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Need IH Fast Hitch plow identified and alignment to tractor advice in reply to Ray in Pa., 04-04-2003 21:52:08  
Wengers in Myerstown, PA has 4 or 5 3-14" Fast Hitch plows on the lot . . . . Prices are $400-$500 each, though, but they're not junk. They may even give you a decent trade on your 2-bottom.



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Hugh MacKay

04-05-2003 06:00:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Need IH Fast Hitch plow identified and alignment to tractor advice in reply to Ray in Pa., 04-04-2003 21:52:08  
Ray: I wouldn't cut those prongs trying to modify. That mounted plow will pull side ways a lot worse than trailer. If I were you and the age technology you are using, I would go for a rubber tired 3 x 14 trailer plow with hydraulic lift. Try and find one with trip bottoms as oposed to trip hitch. In most parts of North America they go for a song. There are lots people with Super C's, 200's and 230's would love to have that fast hitch plow.

I will admit to some prejudice, I am big on trailer plows. I owned 4 of them in my lifetime; a No.8- 2x14, No 60- 3x16 and 2 No. 60- 4x16. I have also had 3- 1 point 2x12. and a 510- 5x16 semi-mount. If you wish to have high quality championship caliber plowing go trailer The semi-mounts will give trailers a hard run for quality. With the semi-mount you have the best of both. There were some IH 3 bottom semi-mounts built in their first models. I forget just how those model numbers ran. I think it was 530, 540, 550 and 560, being 3, 4, 5, and 6 bottom models

I am currently looking for 1 of those 530 or 540. I intend to cut it down and make a two bottom, single point, fast hitch, semi- mount for my Farmall 130. My new neighbors around here have been encouraging me to get into antique championship plowing. I would like to do that. I spent last year looking over the competiton. Not satisfied that I as yet have the necessary equipment to make a respectable showing. The Farmall 130 being a 1957, I understand just comes of age this year to enter their competition.

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Ray in Pa.

04-05-2003 22:38:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Need IH Fast Hitch plow identified and alignment to tractor advice in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-05-2003 06:00:30  
I was glad to hear from everyone about my plow situation and what I should do. Luckily, It was only a thought about the cutting and reattaching the prongs on the plows. I realize that the Fast Hitch equipment is getting rare and harder to find and should always be left in original condition. I will either try to find a 3 bottom plow for my Fast Hitch to work right or a little newer trailer plow like Hugh suggested. Until then, I'll just keep using my old, but good working Little Genius plows.

Thanks, Ray in Pa.

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Ray in Pa.

04-05-2003 22:37:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Need IH Fast Hitch plow identified and alignment to tractor advice in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-05-2003 06:00:30  
I was glad to hear from everyone about my plow situation and what I should do. Luckily, It was only a thought about the cutting and reattaching the prongs on the plows. I realize that the Fast Hitch equipment is getting rare and harder to find and should always be left in original condition. I will either try to find a 3 bottom plow for my Fast Hitch to work right or a little newer trailer plow like Hugh suggested. Until then, I'll just keep using my old, but good working Little Genius plows.

Thanks, Ray in Pa.

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