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Which Baling Twine?

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Uncle Dave

03-27-2003 11:24:29




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Will be putting up small squares of grass hay this season. Wondering which twine to buy. What should I avoid? What should I look for? Where might I buy bailing twine?
Thanks for your help
Dave




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Uncle Dave

03-28-2003 10:33:26




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 Re: Which Baling Twine? in reply to Uncle Dave, 03-27-2003 11:24:29  
Dang..... .....you guys are great. Thanks for all the good info
Dave



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Rick

03-28-2003 06:05:55




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 Re: Which Baling Twine? in reply to Uncle Dave, 03-27-2003 11:24:29  
I run plastic 7200ft per single roll 170 knot strength period. Get it direct from manufacture by the pallet. It is cheaper and I have had excellent results. Used both in John Deere and New Holland balers. Discounts stores generally won't handle this type. They will only handle cheaper and lighter strength stuff in my area. I bale all types alfalfa mix hay,rye straw,oats straw,wheat straw,straight grass hay. Results are all same excellent. You have to keep your balers tying system in excellent shape period. Let me know If can help you. Can sell you one large ball to try if that would help. They are about 2 inches taller than regular balls but still fit in most balers. Rick

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Don-WI

03-27-2003 20:56:08




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 Re: Which Baling Twine? in reply to Uncle Dave, 03-27-2003 11:24:29  
I have heard that some balers just WILL NOT take plastic, no matter how hard you try. Something that the knotter or something only has 2 plates, and you need 3 to do plastic because it slips out easier than sisal, hence more broken bales. We have tried plastic once in our baler, a massey 12, and it just didn't work. Used to use 9000, but it's getting a little worn out so now we use 7200 instead. Started while baling the neighbor lady's swamp grass and kept busting strings because we were packing them TIGHT, and the knot would bust while putting the bale up over our head. Ever since we havn't had any troubles, and we can ussually pack a slightly tighter bale now with the 7200. What type of baler are you using? Know any history on it, or is it just off a dealer's lot?
Donovan from Wisconsin

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Roy in UK

03-28-2003 05:55:03




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 Re: Re: Which Baling Twine? in reply to Don-WI, 03-27-2003 20:56:08  
I remember here in England there was a type of twine called "Hay twine " which was a softer thicker type of plastic twine. Because it was thicker and softer than standard poly twine it was less of a problem in older balers ( my Allis Chalmers 300 handled it well, and it only had 2 plate retainers, as opposed to 4 plate on the newer balers, designed to handle plastic twine ) also it was kinder to the hands when handling the bales, being thicker it did not cut into you if you were not wearing gloves. The English stuff was bright red, so it was easy to see against the hay or straw, But there was also a version made in Ireland "Gold Medal" that was a sort of a yellow / pale orange colour. I remember one witty farmer remarking to me "Only the Irish could produce baler twine the same colour as the straw!"

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Sid

03-27-2003 17:14:16




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 Re: Which Baling Twine? in reply to Uncle Dave, 03-27-2003 11:24:29  
In my old new holland I had better luck wtih the 7200 sisal had much better results with it. I guess it depends on the baler and amount of wear.



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Mike (WA)

03-27-2003 18:07:35




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 Re: Re: Which Baling Twine? in reply to Sid , 03-27-2003 17:14:16  
Old balers seem to like sisal better, and the thicker 7200 seems to work better than 9000 if baler is worn. My old New Holland would bale about 30 bales with 9000 plastic, then start missing bales. Local baler expert opined that it worked OK until the grease warmed up and let the knotter parts start "slopping around". Went to 7200 sisal, and seldom missrs more than a bale or two per thousand. Also, when starting out on the first bales of the year, it may take a while for everything to get polished up to where the knots will come off the billhook properly, etc.- you always seem to miss a few at the beginning, and you need to just grit your teeth for awhile.

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david

03-27-2003 16:27:33




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 Re: Which Baling Twine? in reply to Uncle Dave, 03-27-2003 11:24:29  
Very good advice on twine. For me, I bale round bales with 16,000 sisal, because it does rot, don't have to take the twine off before I feed. For squares I use plastic b/c I use a NH stackliner to pick up bales and the noraml nicks and cuts casued too many failures in sisal.

If I happen to run some squares with sisal I prefer the 10,000 sisal when I can get it. It is smaller than the 9000 but my baler (336 Deere) like it better. Had a tech guy from Deere tell me to use the 10,000 when I was having problems with the 9000 sisal tying. Seems that the smaller twine makes an easier knot. What ever you use find good clean twine and stick with it. I always get the premium, Southern States Gold Label Premium 10,000. There are only about 3 companies that actually make twine, then everybody just puts their lable on it. Comes in 3 grades at the plant premium, regular, and economy. Has to do with fibre length and the amout of husks in the twine. Note, husks are really, really bad in knotters. This was my last failure count: 9000 standard 6/100; 10,000 premium 4/888; 9000 sisal 10,200 bales with 68 failures (and 10 of them happend first 10 bales).

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paul

03-27-2003 14:36:48




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 Re: Which Baling Twine? in reply to Uncle Dave, 03-27-2003 11:24:29  
Most small square balers take 9000 twine. 7200 is also an option, stronger & thicker (stronger can be good; but thicker can cause problems too...), but 9000 is the standard. You do NOT want the thin 20,000 - that is for round balers.

You big decision is: Plastic or sisal?

Many people swear by plastic, as it doesn't rot, packs a bit more, & is uniform.

Others swear at plastic, because it never, ever, goes away, wraps up on machinery, cuts grease seals, can be hard on the livestock if ingested, contaminates wool....

Generally sisal works better with finicky balers, while plastic needs things adjusted a bit better. Very dependant on your particular baler tho.

Myself, I hate plastic on small squares, & wouldn't buy them if in plastic. But that's a personal bias - some people feel the other way.

Both plastic & sisal are rated the same - 9000 for small squares.

Most any farm supply store or equipment dealer that handles any balers at all will have twine available. There are differences in quality (not always reflected in price), you'll just have to experiment. It's a seasonal item, so here in MN you don't see it out on display yet...

Follow the directions on how to tie balls of twine together, and which end is up! A bag of 2 balls of 9000 twine will make somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 bales - depending on variables of course.

Now, you might have a baler with some different requirements, but this is general info that should work for you.

--->Paul

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Phil

03-27-2003 15:32:19




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 Re: Re: Which Baling Twine? in reply to paul, 03-27-2003 14:36:48  
I agree with everything you said, just wanted to make one more comment wrt 7200 vs 9000. They both cost the same, the difference is one is 7200 ft and the other is 9000 ft. That is why the 9000 is thinner and not as strong, same amount (approximately) of material just goes further.



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michael gunn

04-01-2003 11:41:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Which Baling Twine? in reply to Phil, 03-27-2003 15:32:19  
When using plastic twine you may have to change the bill hooks my dealer said there were special ones out there because the plastic was harder to hold on to, smaller I guess. I haven't thought about going from 9000 to 7200 though good idea.



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