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Doug

03-10-2003 14:09:06




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I did a soil test on 20 acres before I plant brome next fall. Everything was pretty good. The expert at the extension office who looked at the report said to use 50 lbs per acre of nitrogen. I have fertilized my lawn using Scotts fertilizer but have never tried to buy straight nitrogen. I do have access to a 3 point spreader to put the nitrogen down. My question is where do you get this stuff and what do you ask for? Should I put it down before I plant or after? Any help here would be appreciated.

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JMS/MN

03-11-2003 21:21:58




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 Re: nitrogen in reply to Doug, 03-10-2003 14:09:06  
Anhydrous ammonia is the cheapest form of nitrogen- it's a gaseous form and is 82% nitrogen. It is knifed in with special equipment, most dangerous to use. Needs a discing or field cultivating and about a day wait before planting. The dry form is urea, 46% nitrogen. Easiest to handle, can use a bulk spreader since it is in a prill form. Generally incorporated with the next tillage operation. Liquid nitrogen is another formulation, sprayed on as a carrier with herbicide on corn fields. Talk to your supplier about equipment requirements and do the math to determine ACTUAL pounds of product to apply per acre, according to the formulation being used. Personally, I'd recommend going with the urea if you have no prior experience with these products. N is very corrosive in any form, anhydrous is dangerous to the lungs if you don't follow the rules. Long-lasting damage, to death, is possible.

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david

03-11-2003 07:51:47




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 Re: nitrogen in reply to Doug, 03-10-2003 14:09:06  
Talk to who ever you plan to buy your N from. Lots of vaiability in areas. Most common in US is anhydrous ammonia, but requires specialized application equip. Vendor I use here only carries ammonium nitrate (dry) and UAN in 2-1/2 g jugs (big $$).

I buy ammonium nitrate in January, paid $165 per ton this year on a 20 ton order, includes use of one of their bulk spreadors.



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david

03-11-2003 06:52:32




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 Re: nitrogen in reply to Doug, 03-10-2003 14:09:06  
Talk to who ever you plan to buy your N from. Lots of vaiability in areas. Most common in US is anhydrous ammonia, but requires specialized application equip. Vendor I use here only carries ammonium nitrate (dry) and UAN in 2-1/2 g jugs (big $$).

I buy ammonium nitrate in January, paid $165 per ton this year on a 20 ton order, includes use of one of their bulk spreadors.



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Doug

03-11-2003 07:16:01




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 Re: Re: nitrogen in reply to david, 03-11-2003 06:52:32  
Thanks for all the info. Hey Pete. Where in Ks are you?? I'm just outside of Wichita.



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Doug

03-11-2003 07:15:36




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 Re: Re: nitrogen in reply to david, 03-11-2003 06:52:32  
Thanks for all the info. Hey Pete. Where in Ks are you?? I'm just outside of Wichita.



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Pete in Ks

03-11-2003 06:50:19




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 Re: nitrogen in reply to Doug, 03-10-2003 14:09:06  
Doug, I put in 15 acres of brome last fall here in South central Ks. My soil test said 100lbs of Nitrogen. I used an "easyflow" seeder to put on my brome. In this area it is common to plant a cover crop of wheat to stablize the soil till the grass seed establishes it self. I put the brome on and then drilled 30-40lbs per acre of wheat and put the nitrogen on with the drill at the same time. Others in the area will drill the wheat and fertilizer then use the easyflow to put on brome and put a drag behind it to cover sead. Works well eaither way. Could of had the COOP put the fertilizer down but I was going over it anyway and the drill is accurate on rate. The thing to remember is it takes a while for brome to establish where you can see it. Don't get in a hurry. More brome is tore out and replanted because they didn't think they had a stand.
Pete

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Jerry D in NC

03-10-2003 20:50:21




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 Re: nitrogen in reply to Doug, 03-10-2003 14:09:06  
Carry your report to a local farm supply that the local farmers use. Let them help you get a custom mix and let them spread it for you. Most the time is the cheapest answer in the long run and you get what you need. The reason I recommend taking them the report is the need to add trace minerals. We found that from plant analysis that 4-5 ozs of Molybendum and 1 lb of Boron per acre sprayed on our Alfalfa made major yield improvements. Comes to about $10 an acre counting spraying for at least 20% yield improvements. Utilize expertise if it is available.

BTW We are seeing that liquid Nitrogen is $100 a ton cheaper than prilled this year.

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Bob - KS

03-10-2003 15:03:29




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 Re: nitrogen in reply to Doug, 03-10-2003 14:09:06  
I don't know what part of the country you are in, but here you can go to the local farmer's co-op and get bulk fertilizer. They will blend it for you by weight - in your case no blending for just N. Also, they rent pull behind spreaders very cheaply so you hook up to the spreader with your pick-up, they load the spreader for you, and you pull the spreader to your field, use it to spread your fertilizer, and then pull it back to them empty. Makes it easy to handle that way. They will also spread it for you although with their larger equipment they prefer larger fields than 20 acres. Your county agent should be able to suggest who does this in your community.

HTH,
Bob

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paul

03-10-2003 15:23:48




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 Re: Re: nitrogen in reply to Bob - KS, 03-10-2003 15:03:29  
Yup, that's howe it's done here also. There are some private dealers, & some coop dealers, often the same office as buys grain, etc. They have all different options, from delivering it, you pick it up, or even bagging it (for more $$$) & throwing it on your pickup if you want. Depends on how they do things where you are.

I would put it on before planting, work it into the ground soon (in hours, not days) so that it goes into the ground and doesn't evaporate into the air. All it takes is a field cultivating or disking, some such. If you are using a clover or alfalfa mix, might want to wait a couple days to plant, but generally you don't have to esp with just grass seed. I know some mix in the seed with the fert & broadcast it all at once, drag or cultipack it & you're done.

There are different sources of N, and each has a differentr % of actual N. Like, if you get a product that is 46% N, then you'll have to put on a little more than twice of what you need in weight, to get the actual N you need. If you would need any P or K, then they would blend together the best products to get as close as they can to what you need. In your case with only needing N (surprising?) N is N, so go with what is cheap.

Oh, there is also a liquid available (getting to be very popular with corn pop-up fertilizing) that would work for you too, but probably more difficult for you to apply & probably a bit more costly.

--->Paul

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dhermesc

03-12-2003 06:10:11




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 Re: Re: Re: nitrogen in reply to paul, 03-10-2003 15:23:48  
Some of the places will let you use their buggy for free since you bought the fertilizer there. Also make sure you are talking to someone that knows what they are doing at the elevator. They will help with the mix and explain settings and speed to apply.



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dhermesc

03-12-2003 06:09:40




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 Re: Re: Re: nitrogen in reply to paul, 03-10-2003 15:23:48  
Some of the places will let you use their buggy for free since you bought the fertilizer there. Also make sure you are talking to someone that knows what they are doing at the elevator. They will help with the mix and explain settings and speed to apply.



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dhermesc

03-12-2003 06:04:26




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 Re: Re: Re: nitrogen in reply to paul, 03-10-2003 15:23:48  
Some of the places will let you use their buggy for free since you bought the fertilizer there. Also make sure you are talking to someone that knows what they are doing at the elevator. They will help with the mix and explain settings and speed to apply.



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