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Large square balers, duds and good ones

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G Taylor

03-08-2003 10:00:16




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In the market for a large square baler. Any model that is a known dud to stay away from. Any that are particularly outstanding in performance and reliability?




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Rick

03-09-2003 01:14:34




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 Re: large square balers, duds and good ones in reply to G Taylor, 03-08-2003 10:00:16  
Are these bales going be for own use or selling. I sell alot hay and straw. When large squares come up I get one response peroid, If I want rotten hay will ask for large square. You have to have dry,dry,and dryer hay with these units from what I see. What few I have seen in my area,they are either totaly brown brown or white inside.Far as brands green and red here. But bale are same result,once again from what I have seen is rotten

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G Taylor.....31x31,3'x4' or 4'x4' bales???

03-09-2003 21:51:59




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 Re: Re: large square balers, duds and good ones in reply to Rick, 03-09-2003 01:14:34  
Primary use of the large baler will be for cash crop hay for long distance haulage on a transport truck. Also custom baling for neighbours and a few to winter a small herd. Have a 4 foot Deere round baler and it works well but..... The bales leave lots of spare room on the truck and the load underweight. Round bales will air dry a little in the barn if a wee bit damp. Usually stack them on their sides. What is the demand for the different sizes of "large" square bales?

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Rick

03-10-2003 02:35:35




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 Re: Re: Re: large square balers, duds and good ones in reply to G Taylor.....31x31,3'x4' or 4'x4' bales???, 03-09-2003 21:51:59  
Mr Taylor; Like I said before in my sales so far I have very very little demand for those. I t all depends on your location and what you find for market. Mine is all small square and few large round. Small square still brings the most period in terms of dollars period. Can you sell enough to pay for the large baler. One thing you must do no matter which way you bale is quality product. Eye appeal is so important!!!! If I were you I stay all small square. Good Luck. ps I still have not seen a large square bale that wasn't rotten inside in my area.

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Rick

03-10-2003 02:34:14




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 Re: Re: Re: large square balers, duds and good ones in reply to G Taylor.....31x31,3'x4' or 4'x4' bales???, 03-09-2003 21:51:59  
Mr Taylor; Like I said before in my sales so far I have very very little demand for those. I t all depends on your location and what you find for market. Mine is all small square and few large round. Small square still brings the most period in terms of dollars period. Can you sell enough to pay for the large baler. One thing you must do no matter which way you bale is quality product. Eye appeal is so important!!!! If I were you I stay all small square. Good Luck. ps I still have not seen a large square bale that wasn't rotten inside in my area.

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G Taylor

03-10-2003 21:03:12




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: large square balers, duds and good ones in reply to Rick, 03-10-2003 02:34:14  
Around here no-one wants to hand load or un-load a tractor trailer by hand. My cousin currently sells all the quality large square bales he can find. New York and Pennsylvania purchase alot of Ontario hay. Two wide on the trailer and up to legal height with the loader. One man operation and hay is green and smells sweet. Some people just bale before the hay is dry and cured then have a moldy mess.

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RickB.

03-09-2003 03:39:21




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 Re: Re: large square balers, duds and good ones in reply to Rick, 03-09-2003 01:14:34  
The key to good hay is knowing how to make and store it. Makes no difference what package it is in. The Deere 100 big baler uses a single knot system, and has no stuffer chamber. In some conditions, lack of these features is a big disadvantage. In others, it matters less.



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Rick

03-09-2003 04:19:56




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 Re: Re: Re: large square balers, duds and good ones in reply to RickB., 03-09-2003 03:39:21  
I agree it has to be done right in any system. some need dryer then others. I agree but this is what I am seeing. have no demand for those.



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dhermesc

03-10-2003 07:48:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: large square balers, duds and good ones in reply to Rick, 03-09-2003 04:19:56  
Rick B: Where are you located?

My younger brother is using a 1999 CASE IH (I forget what model) north of Topeka Kansas. He has no problem selling it to dairies, and they would have his a** if he sold them moldy or rotten hay. Little squares are great for the little guys with horses or a couple cows, they do not have the ability to handle big bales. The small operators like myself get by in the smaller market with little bales for a higher price, but this is just a hobby for me. He is covering over a couple thousand acres in addition to his row crop.

His big square works great but those things need a big horse of a tractor to run it (using 7140 with FWA). I was shocked to learn a 1486 or 1586 is just not big enough to handle that size of baler.

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RickB.

03-10-2003 14:27:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: large square balers, duds and good ones in reply to dhermesc, 03-10-2003 07:48:23  
I am in the mid-Hudson Valley of New York state. I have a neighbor who milks about 300 cows and used to bale 30,000 small squares for the local horse farms. About 5 years ago, they bought a CaseIH 8575 and began converting their customers to 3x4 bales by providing trial bales for free. They sell more hay now than before, and make no small squares. We have high humidity in summer and heavy dews starting in late August. We have another customer who bales with a NH 590 (3x4) baler pulled by a MM G1350. These guys both understand how to make dry hay for the horse trade. I wouldn't be afraid to bale with a 3x4 baler and a fully ballasted 1486 or 1586. It doesn't take over about 150PTO hp to run the snot out of a 3x4 baler, it does get a little hairy if you don't have the weight to stop or turn it. Of course, if I had a choice between an 86 and a Magnum, I'd be in the 7140, too.

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dhermesc

03-11-2003 05:54:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: large square balers, duds and good ones in reply to RickB., 03-10-2003 14:27:32  
Yeah, the big problem guys run into is using a swather in heavy hay. The bottom is green and the top is too dry. With a big round baler you can get away with it some since the dry hay is wrapped to the green hay and balances out. He has to use an old JD 5 bar rake to flip his winrows so they dry properly. Its a great job for our 12 year old nephew on a "H". With the hills in Northeast Kansas he claims that the baler almost pushes the tracor around.

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RickB.

03-11-2003 14:16:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: large square balers, duds and good ones in reply to dhermesc, 03-11-2003 05:54:22  
He needs to buy a tedder. I think of Kansas as pretty flat. A big baler can toss a fair sized 2dw tractor around for sure.



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dhermesc

03-11-2003 15:23:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: large square balers, duds and good ones in reply to RickB., 03-11-2003 14:16:16  
Western Kansas is FLAT. Eastern Kansas is all hills. My brother-in-law from Illinois couldn't believe we farm these hills or how extensive our terrace and waterway systems are. All you do here is farm in circles. The longest rows (except for good EXPENSIVE bottom) are between 1/16 and 1/8 mile long.



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Tim(nj)

03-09-2003 20:33:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: large square balers, duds and good ones in reply to Rick, 03-09-2003 04:19:56  
The few around here are either New Holland or Hesston, and they only bale straw or mulch hay for the mushroom growers. Most feed-quality hay in my local area is done in small squares, because the market is mainly for horses. There are a few cattle guys left doing round bales for their own use.



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Scott KY

03-08-2003 16:14:38




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 Re: large square balers, duds and good ones in reply to G Taylor, 03-08-2003 10:00:16  
Very few are used in my area but I have been told to stay away from John Deere. They have had many problems and have very little resale value. I have heard good things about Case IH and New Holland (same baler) and Hesston. No experience, just what I have been told.



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JD

03-08-2003 13:09:47




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 Re: large square balers, duds and good ones in reply to G Taylor, 03-08-2003 10:00:16  

I know of 5 John Deere 100 large balers around here. I have had hay baled by a John Deere 100. I think they do a vary good job. I know of a farm around here who had a New Holland. They could not get it to work. Even the guys right from New Holland could not get it working. The farm then bought a John Deere 100. I know a farm who has a New Hollad, it's the smaller baler. 2 X 3 bale. Last summer the hitch come off when he was go down the road. I like New Holland and so do lots of farmers. But i can say New Holland does some poor welding.

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farmall man

03-08-2003 14:44:14




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 Re: Re: large square balers, duds and good ones in reply to JD, 03-08-2003 13:09:47  
the DEERE 100 big square baler has many problems. the bales just dont pack good on some the twine doesnt tie right they are expensive and the internal parts tend not to wear good. guys round hear trade them in for the case ih.. um oh now wath is it ? ah ah. i will get back to you on that one



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Roy in UK

03-09-2003 05:48:15




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 Re: Re: Re: large square balers, duds and good ones in reply to farmall man, 03-08-2003 14:44:14  
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the JD square baler really a Bernard Krone painted green and yellow? Here in the UK the Krone Big Square baler has an awful name! One of the most popular big square over here is the Claas Quadrant. I know a guy over here who had a Massey Ferguson 5 {more badge engineering, as it was built by Vicon } he told me that it was a terrible machine, always breaking down! Actually Hesston balers are now marketed over here in MF colours, apparently they are very good.

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paul

03-10-2003 12:57:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: large square balers, duds and good ones in reply to Roy in UK, 03-09-2003 05:48:15  
I have zero experience & there are very few around here (we don't transport far & it is a very damp area so rounds are more popular) but all I see are a few IH & Hesston big square balers, haven't even seen a green one. Sounds like Claas makes some good hay equipment, but their dealers are _very_ few in the USA and after the whole Agco deal, people are wary of them - will they be here, won't they?

--->Paul

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