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Chuck, WA

03-04-2003 19:19:41




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Like "Ain't got a clue" Im a greenhorn. I bought my land and tractor last spring. Last summer I manured and watered a couple of acres that had been unwatered and left to go to weed by the previous owner, so it wouldn't be a fire hazard. This past fall, I disked and tried to smooth it up, then seeded it with a pasture grass mix that's popular around here for grass hay and fertilized with a commercial pellet fertilizer. I didn't get the ground very smooth - will be a bumpy ride - but did the best I could with what I had - disk, springtooth and spike harrow.

Now it's lush and green, but there are patches of grass here and there that are ankle deep or more and some places that are ground hugging stuff that must be leftovers from the previous stew of grass and weeds.

My intent was to hay that couple of acres plus a little more that's established grass, but it's not looking like I'll get my mower and rake repaired and ready for this year, so may have to just bush hog it and let it lay and shoot for next year.

Our irrigation will turn on in about a month. At this point, I'm not sure what to do next. Should I mow it, or just let it grow? I know there will be weed problems as I didn't choose to use any herbicides, and my extension agent agreed that he best bet was to just try to establish a healthy turf that would in time overpower the weeds.

For what it's worth, I'd guess first cutting for hay would be somewhere around mid-April to the first of May.

Suggestions about mowing or not? I know I could mow with the bush hog if necessary, but actually my sickle mower is closer to repaired than the rake, so the rake is really the bottleneck.

Thanks for any help!

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Jerry D in NC

03-04-2003 21:28:39




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 Re: What's next - new pasture grass in reply to Chuck, WA, 03-04-2003 19:19:41  
Find a neighbor that has a rake. Make a FRIEND



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Chuck, WA

03-05-2003 06:54:51




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 Re: Re: What's next - new pasture grass in reply to Jerry D in NC, 03-04-2003 21:28:39  
Jerry...thanks for the advice. No shortage of friends...in fact, one wheat grower friend gave me an excellent JD214 baler when he heard I was looking for one. However, in my neighborhood and among my nearby friends - the wheat farmer excepted - seems I'm breaking new ground. All of my closest neighbors and friends have horses and pasture their grass, then buy their winter hay and any extra they need. One reason I'm wanting to harvest my grass is get some use out of it by giving it or selling it real cheap to my friends and be available or loaning my equipment to get an early cutting off some of their pastures since none of them have the equipment.

Beyond the near neighbors are huge commercial alfalfa growers whose machinery I could barely turn around in my fields. I could probably find a rake someplace - maybe an ad in the paper to rent one - but don't care to go that route for various reasons. Thanks again though.

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Jerry D in NC

03-05-2003 10:36:18




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 Re: Re: Re: What's next - new pasture grass in reply to Chuck, WA, 03-05-2003 06:54:51  
Didn't mean to insinuate that you were lacking in the friends department. I would put the effort into fixing the rake because you can mow with the bush hog, not as efficiently as a mower made for hay but still capable. Also what I meant before was to keep your eyes open and see if you can spot a rake in the weeds or maybe rent one from an equipment company locally if there are not any elsewhere. If you are buying parts from a local business then they might be more willing to help you out by loaning you a rake to use once or twice while you are fixing yours. Mowing is the ultimate way to keep the weeds down and get the land productive. Depending on how big you let the grass grow you may have to get it off the ground to keep it from scaulding out places and killing the grass under it.

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Brent

03-07-2003 10:42:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: What's next - new pasture grass in reply to Jerry D in NC, 03-05-2003 10:36:18  
I agree with getting it up and off the new grass. Even if it doesn't kill the new stuff, you will be raking up the rotten, mulched stuff the first few times after you finally do start baling. As a side bonus from leaving mowed hay/grass....if you get big enough clumps of rotten grass laying around they will plug your sickle mower every time you hit one the next time you mow. Been there...done that.
I bought and old steel wheel rake for $50 after putting a "wanted" ad in the paper just to use until I got my "real" rake repaired. Now I have a spare to boot!

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Chuck, WA

03-05-2003 12:35:05




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: What's next - new pasture grass in reply to Jerry D in NC, 03-05-2003 10:36:18  
Jerry...Thanks, no offense taken.

Yup...I keep looking for stuff on the edges of fields around here, but not much around. It's a lot different out here. I think the generally much bigger farms means a lot less small implements. I'll keep looking.



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Burrhead

03-04-2003 19:43:19




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 Re: What's next - new pasture grass in reply to Chuck, WA, 03-04-2003 19:19:41  
If you'll keep the field fertilized and mow it regular the grass will choke the weeds out this year.

I would go ahead and mow it now if the ground is dry enough and mow it every 2-3 weeks if I wanted to push out the weeds.

If you wanna use the field for hay this year I would cut and bale before the seeds form in the weeds or you'll just be spredding your problem.



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BlueLite

03-05-2003 07:10:28




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 Re: Re: What's next - new pasture grass in reply to Burrhead, 03-04-2003 19:43:19  
I have 4 acres of hay field that has run the limit and is getting scrawny. Milkweed and goldenrod is starting to give me problems.

I don't have any animals this year so I'll bring the land up to par by plowing this spring and broadcast seeding to alphalfa. The deep roots should penetrate the hard pan and bring up nutrients long lost to percolation at the same time giving me a reserve of plant nutrients and fibre to plow under in the fall. Alphalfa will smother out weeds, and your left with a field of bright green well filled plants.

In the spring I'll deep hoe and bring the soil
to a fine tilthe to plant hay seed/clover mix.

All in all, from a single planting of alphalfa
I hope to get green manure,soil conditioning and weed control in one shot.

Your wise to stay away from the chemical weed control. Here in Ontario, if you want to certify yourself as organic, the needed tests won't show toxic chemicals in the soil which would disqualify an owner. Even if you leave it fallow for a few years the tests will still show residual
pollution.

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farmall man

03-08-2003 14:55:20




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 Re: Re: Re: What's next - new pasture grass in reply to BlueLite, 03-05-2003 07:10:28  
if it is alfalfa now and you plow it under DO NOT PLANT ALFALFA THERE RIGHT AWAY. you will kill the seed. see as the old alfalfa decomposes it makes gases that kill the new seed. now corn will thrive there.



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Chuck, WA

03-05-2003 06:59:01




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 Re: Re: What's next - new pasture grass in reply to Burrhead, 03-04-2003 19:43:19  
Burrhead..thanks! That fits pretty well with my thinking and would be the route I'd go if I didn't get any answers here. The field is dry enough - we've had a pretty mild winter with not a lot of moisture. 2-3 weeks is about my usual mowing cycle for the other fields, so that fits in well too.

At this point, I'm guessing I'll forego the hay this year unless I find that later in the summer I have the equipment ready and can get one last cutting before fall - but I won't be planning on it.

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Burrhead

03-05-2003 09:53:42




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 Re: Re: Re: What's next - new pasture grass in reply to Chuck, WA, 03-05-2003 06:59:01  
you're welcome.

I used herbicides for years and then decided to take the advice of an old Aggie friend and mow.

The fertilzer and mowing are by far the best weed control there is.



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Chuck, WA

03-05-2003 12:35:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: What's next - new pasture grass in reply to Burrhead, 03-05-2003 09:53:42  
Burrhead...thanks! That's very encouraging.



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