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I was looking for a couple of years for a round baler 'on a budget' as well. Dealer had a 510 (I think, might have been a 410) and was asking $4000. That just seemed way to high. I checked around, and got the smae impression form 'everybody' that others are saying here. They are fussy with the closed throat, and spring loaded just doesn't make as tight a bale as hyd - so you end up with more spoiled hay over the years, and it peopbably has all skinny belts - and it's much better to have wide belts, at least on the outsides. (Now, I've never actually worked with a JD baler of any kind, so I'm up front with you...) I stuck it out, and found a Vermeer 605F in pretty good shape for it's age, $1600 at a dealer closing auction. Much better baler that any of the closed throats, has a wide belt on each side, open throat. It's not new, and has the slow 4-bar pickup, and I had to put a bearing in it already, but I think I can put up a lot of hay cheaply, and still get my money back if I want to from it. If you can't get that price to drop a whole bunch, you might want to just keep looking a while? --->Paul
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