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Steve from New

02-24-2003 19:30:45




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I saw some questions and comments from our earlier discussion that I would like to expound on. I do live in New Holland, but I am employed by a dealership and have worked there for 26 years. Someone wondered who purchased who, Ford or New Holland. Ford Motor Co purchased New Holland in 1987 from the Sperry Rand Corp. Ford had wanted to sell off there ag division for quite some time, but because the only marketable thing they had was tractors, it wasn't very attractive. Sperry wanted to unload New Holland, but they didn't have a tractor line, so they were not very attractive either. Like them or not, Ford was pretty smart in buying New Holland, combining the two companies and then selling them to Fiat for approximately 2 billion dollars in 1992. A couple of years ago, New Holland of North America(Owned by Fiat) purchased Case International. The new company in now known as Case New Holland.(All owned by Fiat) What is sort of scarey is that Fiat is in financial trouble and so is CNH. Have you checked what CNH stock is going for lately? Last I looked it was down to $3 a share. The first CNH stock was traded for roughly $15 per share, give or take a little. I doubt that there is a nice museum in their near future. The Rough and Tumble museum and a few of their members do have a couple pieces of New Holland historic equipment, but there is so much more out there. I am told that CNH has some pieces housed in an abanboned warehouse with no plans of doing anything with them. Ok, this is long enough. Sorry, Steve

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farmerjohn

02-28-2003 20:41:48




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 Re: More about New Holland in reply to Steve from New Holland, 02-24-2003 19:30:45  
I would like to know more about the mentioned "Rough and Tumble Museum." Any info from anyone?



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Kelly C

02-25-2003 15:15:58




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 Re: More about New Holland in reply to Steve from New Holland, 02-24-2003 19:30:45  
Hmmm. I wounder if any one could get NH to give up their old stuff to a private museum? Or at least make the one there private.

Any way Steve keep a eye out for us. If things get real bad w/ NH we might want to make a run on the wear parts.
I did find a place in NewZealand that sells aftermarket baler parts for NH.



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motrack

02-25-2003 15:24:04




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 Re: Re: More about New Holland in reply to Kelly C, 02-25-2003 15:15:58  
there is a farm paper publisher in Lancaster called Lancaster Farming that 6 or so years ago had a story about how Ford shut down the NH museum and the orginal pickup baler that was on desplay ended up in a locals hands.
They had pics of him out in the the hay field with it baleing away.
You remember anything about that Steve?



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Scott

02-25-2003 16:32:36




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 Re: Re: Re: More about New Holland in reply to motrack, 02-25-2003 15:24:04  
That was not the original baler, it was a 76 model, New Holland still has the original baler and the other items, I check on them every year to make sure they did not get rid of the stuff, 10 years ago they junked a model 80 baler and a 46 bale loader that were rusty but could have been fixed.



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motrack

02-25-2003 19:23:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: More about New Holland in reply to Scott, 02-25-2003 16:32:36  
thats good to know Scott cause the article read likr it was the orignal baler



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motrack

02-25-2003 07:11:32




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 Re: More about New Holland in reply to Steve from New Holland, 02-24-2003 19:30:45  
I agree Steve that buying NH was a good move for Ford. As a company NH changed very quickly. One of the 1st things I had to do after the buyout was to open all the operators manuals for equipment the lot and replace the 2 yrar warranty sheets with 1 year year warranty sheets.
Our dealer rep then became a burned out auto guy who Ford sent to the ag division..... .had no knowage of ag equipment or farmers.

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jim

02-26-2003 06:03:58




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 Re: Re: More about New Holland in reply to motrack, 02-25-2003 07:11:32  
Hey - whatever happened to the GOOD baler manuals that NH used to provide ? Used to show how to correct many knotter problems.



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RickB.

02-26-2003 15:17:18




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 Re: Re: Re: More about New Holland in reply to jim, 02-26-2003 06:03:58  
Shortly after taking over small square baler repair duties, I ordered several NH baler operator's manuals for our dealership to fill in some gaps on the older models. I have been well pleased with the info contained in them. They seem to be unedited reprints of the originals in most cases.



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jim

02-26-2003 15:41:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: More about New Holland in reply to RickB., 02-26-2003 15:17:18  
I was just commenting on the difference in info that was contained in the owner's manual from my 268 to the one with my 316. The 268 manual showed the different breaks in the twine and knots and how to fix it with actual pictures. Really seemed to help solve problems when there was a storm coming and knotter was acting up with half the field to bale yet!



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paul

02-25-2003 05:22:49




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 Re: More about New Holland in reply to Steve from New Holland, 02-24-2003 19:30:45  
Guess the stocks were down to $1.75 the past week.... The 'smart' talk in the ag papers is that Fiat might have to reorganise, but the ag division should come out of it more or less intact, as it is a major asset that adds value. It sounds like the aerospace division is likely to go, and even the automotive part, which seems to be the real downfall of Fiat, could be sold/ spun off/ dropped.

Of course, most crystal balls are a bit fuzzy, but the smart money is that the ag division of Fiat will survive as a group, tho there are some lean times ahead.

--->Paul

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Steve from New Holland

02-25-2003 19:20:26




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 Re: Re: More about New Holland in reply to paul, 02-25-2003 05:22:49  
I am not aware of a surviving model 73 baler. I believe a private individual in the area has a 75. What we do have at the R&T museum is the forerunner to the 73. The baler is complete and could be made to work with very little work. It is a baler that was made by some local farmers who were good torch and welder men. The name of this baler is "Automation". The 73 was designed after this baler. Also, the museum has an experimental skid loader. It never went into production. It was the first prototype that New Holland came up with, but they changed their design and came out with the model L35 loader. Steve

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Scott

02-26-2003 16:36:46




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 Re: Re: Re: More about New Holland in reply to Steve from New Holland, 02-25-2003 19:20:26  
That is the baler that was made across the steet from the R&T showgrounds by Arthur Young, 125 were made before New Holland took it over, the show uses a 75 for baling out of the thresher. Our dealership is restoring a 1943 73 baler, I have a 75 and New Holland restored a 1943 73 baler and sent it to the Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn MI and is on display.



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