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BillWV

02-05-2003 05:51:47




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YTers,
Later this year, I need to pour a floor for my shop. I only need a pad of about 15'x12' for now. My problem is that I can't get a concrete truck to the site. Anybody that I know that has tried a portable mixer has recommended against it. Any opinions? I'm thinking of building a couple of carriers to fit on the back of two of our tractors, and having a mixer truck pour into the carriers, then tramming to the shop and dumping. Bill

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Earl S

02-06-2003 12:25:38




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 Re: Pouring/moving concrete in reply to BillWV, 02-05-2003 05:51:47  
I have a friend that has a tool and construction rental business. He had 2 machines they called "Mules" that were self propelled he rented out for jobs like that.



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Bull

02-05-2003 20:10:05




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 Re: Pouring/moving concrete in reply to BillWV, 02-05-2003 05:51:47  
I had the same problem once. We used a Bobcat with a bucket on the front.



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thurlow

02-06-2003 08:16:21




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 Re: Re: Pouring/moving concrete in reply to Jim.UT, 02-05-2003 15:21:41  
Jim; what's the capacity on that thing; been considering making one from scratch. I'm looking towards at least one yard..... ..bigger tractors, so weight would not be a problem; might have to build something to load it with backhoe or front-end loader; know I'd get tired shoveling..... ..



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Jim.UT

02-06-2003 08:30:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Pouring/moving concrete in reply to thurlow, 02-06-2003 08:16:21  
I don't know how to measure that. The literature I've been able to dig up on this unit says that two different capacity drums were available: 1 yard and 1.5 yard. I don't know which I have. I can tell you that I can mix up 3 bags of the "just add water" stuff. I'm talking the 90 lb bags. I don't want to mess with mixing gravel, cement and lime so I cheat and just buy the ready mixed stuff.

I start with a fair amount of water and then pour in 1 bag. Then I spray that down to cut the dust using a hose-end trigger nozzle. I use a fine mist here. Then depending on how soupy the mix is I'll either pour in a second bag or add a little more water first. Then with the 3rd bag I'll let the mix get fairly dry and bring it up to the desired consistency by squirting a little water at a time until I get where I want it. Then i back it up to the spot where i want it and jerk the lift handle. I let the "slavies" work the poured cement while I go back to mixing another batch. By the time I'm done, they're usually ready for me. My wife and I have gotten to where we can do a 6' x 6' square in about an hour, start to finish. Usually takes about 18 bags (6 batches) depending on how even the underlying ground is. I use 2x4 to frame with.

When we did my sister's barn floor we did larger sections because we had more help: 2 or 3 people working the poured cement. One person cutting bags open, another pouring them in the mixer and me holding the hose. Hey! It's my tractor, I get to choose which job is for me!

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BillWV

02-05-2003 20:29:28




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 Re: Re: Pouring/moving concrete in reply to Jim.UT, 02-05-2003 15:21:41  
That's great. What is it? Did you build it? It looks like the linkage makes it dump when you raise the 3ph...right? Bill



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Jim.UT

02-05-2003 20:53:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Pouring/moving concrete in reply to BillWV, 02-05-2003 20:29:28  
Yes, the lift arms are connected to the drum cradle which is hinged in front....or in back depending on how you look at it. It's hinged right at the nose of the drum, how's that? There is no top link connection. Some 3 point mixers require a hydraulic top link to dump. This one does not.

It's a TransMix mixer made by Universal Pulley Co of Wichita KS. The company was either bought or merged into Carlson Company in '68 and they continued making the TransMix but with an updated frame design. I can find no info on Carlson company now so I assume they're out of business, too. I have two of these. This is the older one. I also have one of the newer designs, but it needs a lot of tlc to make it work again. If (when?) I get it working I may sell this one.

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charlie

02-05-2003 14:59:48




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 Re: Pouring/moving concrete in reply to BillWV, 02-05-2003 05:51:47  
you know anybody with a skid steer.even if you have to rent one,it beats the heck out of mixing on site.if you mix your own you still got to get the material to the placement.a 4 inch floor will take a little over 2 yards and a 6 inch a little less than 3.5.in my area you get a short load charge for anything less than 3 yards.good luck!



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charlie

02-05-2003 14:54:45




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 Re: Pouring/moving concrete in reply to BillWV, 02-05-2003 05:51:47  
you know anybody with a skid steer.even if you have to rent one,it beats the heck out of mixing on site.if you mix your own you still got to get the material to the placement.a 4 inch floor will take a little over 2 yards and a 6 inch a little less than 3.5.in my area you get a short load charge for anything less than 3 yards.good luck!



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David - OR

02-05-2003 09:06:38




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 Re: Pouring/moving concrete in reply to BillWV, 02-05-2003 05:51:47  
If you can get the truck within a couple hundred feet, look into a pump truck (for shorter distances) or a separate concrete pump (for longer distances).

Your local Ready-Mix guy can probably provide either service, or you can rent the pumps at contractor's rental yard.

The required slump and aggregate size for a pump is a little different than a straight truck, probably requiring more cement powder (and somewhat higher cost) for equal strength. The supplier probably offers a choice of "pump mixes".

Most large commercial buildings are done this way.

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BillWV

02-05-2003 09:50:20




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 Re: Re: Pouring/moving concrete in reply to David - OR, 02-05-2003 09:06:38  
I looked into this at one time, the local concrete yard said "No". The best I can do is about 400' away and slightly uphill. For such a small pad, I don't want to get more money involved in transport than in materials. Unfortunately, money is an object.
Thanks,
Bill



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David - OR

02-05-2003 09:04:00




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 Re: Pouring/moving concrete in reply to BillWV, 02-05-2003 05:51:47  
If you can get the truck within a couple hundred feet, look into a pump truck (for shorter distances) or a separate concrete pump (for longer distances).

Your local Ready-Mix guy can probably provide either service, or you can rent the pumps at contractor's rental yard.

The required slump and aggregate size for a pump is a little different than a straight truck, probably requiring more cement powder (and somewhat higher cost) for equal strength. The supplier probably offers a choice of "pump mixes".

Most large commercial buildings are done this way.

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Duner Wi

02-05-2003 06:18:26




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 Re: Pouring/moving concrete in reply to BillWV, 02-05-2003 05:51:47  
Maybe consider using 2 portable mixers. You won't save any money over calling the cement truck but if properly mixed I don't think the quality of cement will suffer. Your tram method should work also.



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Hayman

02-05-2003 09:11:13




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 Re: Re: Pouring/moving concrete in reply to Duner Wi, 02-05-2003 06:18:26  
I enclosed the my front end loader with plywood,(left the top open) and built in a pour spout.It worked very well.Cocrete is way heavier than dirt so I didn't fill the bucket up.



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BillWV

02-05-2003 09:53:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Pouring/moving concrete in reply to Hayman, 02-05-2003 09:11:13  
That is the idea that got me thinking of building a container on the back of a tractor. I don't have a front-end loader, but have 2 tractors that I can build a small plywood enclosure on (or just attach a tub to) a rear carry-all. Even carrying 600-800 pounds at a time, with both tractors running, I could have the pad poured pretty quick.
Thanks,
Bill



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dave

02-10-2003 16:09:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Pouring/moving concrete in reply to BillWV, 02-05-2003 09:53:26  
With the cost of plywood considered, buy your buddies a 12 pack and let them wheel it, I pour concrete for a living, forget the mixer on the back of a tractor unless you have one in the front of your shed, if you have one in the back of the shed it isn't worth digging out- 12 wheelborrows per cy if difficult wheeling. You will probably have a skid loader to level the site anyway, keep it another 20 min. Another 10 min with a garden hose to do a good job washing it out when you are done. Keep in mind your concrete will only cost a little over $200 delivered, better yet give the cement truck driver a 12 pack and you may be supprised where a truck can realy go- ask for a experienced driver.

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George

02-06-2003 18:20:17




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Pouring/moving concrete in reply to BillWV, 02-05-2003 09:53:26  
For 3.5 yards of concrete I would just use a couple wheelbarrels! That's really not that much concrete especially if you have a couple extra guys around to wheel. We have wheeled 20 yards at a time in basements doesn't take that much time and isn't that hard. Probably be faster, and neater than messing around with a tractor especially if your using plastic and wire.
Do't waste your time mixing your self, it's not worth the hastle. You'll get a much better product out of a truck.

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George

02-06-2003 18:18:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Pouring/moving concrete in reply to BillWV, 02-05-2003 09:53:26  
For 3.5 yards of concrete I would just use a couple wheelbarrels! That's really not that much concrete especially if you have a couple extra guys around to wheel. We have wheeled 20 yards at a time in basements doesn't take that much time and isn't that hard. Probably be faster, and neater than messing around with a tractor especially if your using plastic and wire.
Do't waste your time mixing your self, it's not worth the hastle. You'll get a much better product out of a truck.

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