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Steve450

02-03-2003 08:32:39

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I am looking at making some hay on a few fields that have been done in grass hay, but not maintained for better than 10 years. The fields have been kept mowed so brush is not a problem, but the weeds have taken over. I know about soil samples, lime, fert. etc, but can I just disc and re-seed in hay, or should I plow,disc,plant cover crop etc...
I would like to make some decent hay in these fields but don't know if I have the time to do full till this year. What do ya think?

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Rob

02-17-2003 19:36:57

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Re: Re-seeding hay in reply to Steve450, 02-03-2003 08:32:39

For Grass hay i have tried the Round up route and didn't care for it as much as burning off the last years grass early in the spring and then spraying with 2,4-D for Canada Thistle in the spring when the thistles are small and again in the fall when the plants are storing energy for winter. If the stand is thin on grass, I use a no till drill set up for pastures and waterways, which our soil conservation office has for rent. Mid August is best for grass seed in my area, yours might be different to get the best stand.

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Sid

02-03-2003 20:35:31

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Re: Re-seeding hay in reply to Steve450, 02-03-2003 08:32:39

I have had good results just broadcasting clover seed in my grass.About the only "tillage" I do is run homemade drag I made with tractor tires to bust up manure clods mole runs etc. and maybe a heavy roller to push rocks down. If you are looking for an inexpensive way to improve pasture and hay I would suggest some type of clover suited for your area. Improving pasture and old hay fields does not have to be a pocketbook buster project.

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Michael Soldan

02-03-2003 16:25:22

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Re: Re-seeding hay in reply to Steve450, 02-03-2003 08:32:39

Steve, I am a little old fashion and tight to my money so I am wondering why you would need to work this field up and start over when in fact you may already have a base for a hay field. I have mowed some rough land at the back of my farm that looked like all weeds, but after it was mowed the grass took back over and it could be cut for hay. I am curious if it could be sprayed for weeds, then fertilizer and some extra grass seed mixed in could be applied in the spring and low and behold you may have a crop of hay. I had a field of spring grain seeded down and I had it sprayed for weeds and the cost was about $22 an acre..it took out the weeds and left me a good crop of oats and an excellent pasture /hay mix to come through this past fall...should be an excellent hay/pasture this spring. My pasture mix cost me $600 for 11 acres so if you already have grasses growing I'd try to save it all. Iron peddler has the right idea to no till some seed in but I wouldn't kill everything off..my opinion..have someone look at it and give you some ideas on weed controll in grasses...best of luck MIke in Exeter Ontario

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JMS/MN

02-03-2003 22:15:24

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Re: Re: Re-seeding hay in reply to Ironpeddler, 02-03-2003 15:10:53

The generic name for Roundup is glyphosate. If it is an old field there is likely very little alfalfa in it, but if it has alfalfa in it, you need to get it into another crop for one year because of autotoxicity. Even a poor stand of alfalfa leaves enough toxin in the ground that coming back immediately with alfalfa will kill it. Sometimes interseeding alfalfa in a poor first year stand will work, but the risk is always there, and with the cost of reseeding, you may not want to do that. If it's an all grass field, don't worry about it, but I don't put much faith in seeding without a decent seedbed, and I've never seen a disc do what a plow, disc and/or field cultivator can do.

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paul

02-05-2003 10:14:29

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Re: Re: Re: Re-seeding hay in reply to JMS/MN, 02-03-2003 22:15:24

That's the old way of doing it - sometimes the old ways are the best,IMHO. :)

--->Paul

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TP from Central PA

02-03-2003 14:47:16

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Re: Re-seeding hay in reply to Steve450, 02-03-2003 08:32:39

I would guess that with your equipment, plowing and re-planting would be the best option for a nice field of hay. I could rent some ground about a mile away up on the mountain but would be in the same position as you. I wish I could give another answer, if you find one let me know.

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Steve450

02-03-2003 15:36:38

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Re: Re: Re-seeding hay in reply to TP from Central PA, 02-03-2003 14:47:16

Yea tp, we don't have the "newest equipment" :)
Hope to improve a little at Fraley's sale in march. We have the chance to do about 30 acers on a farm over here on our side of the river. We want to try some corn this year as we finaly got a good planter and a good picker. We just don't want to bite off more than we can chew this year. I might ask you for some advice when it gets closer to spring. Thanks.

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Steve450

02-03-2003 15:33:20

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Re: Re: Re-seeding hay in reply to TP from Central PA, 02-03-2003 14:47:16

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TP from Central PA

02-04-2003 11:43:16

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Re: Re: Re: Re-seeding hay in reply to Steve450, 02-03-2003 15:33:20

Maybe I will see ya at Fraley's this spring..... I am not an expert by any means, I am only 18... :-)

Were you at the sale in the fall? Boy, I thought stuff went cheap! Should have bought a beat 756D they sold, it ran and only brought $1800.

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