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NH baler needles grooved

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James

12-21-2002 15:11:48




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When my needles are grooved (string tie) can I just take my wire feed welder and dremel tool and reshape them?

Maybe I should just ignore it: I stopped by a dealership today and looked at an old 68 that had grooves 3/4 of and inch deep. Mine are not nearly that deep.




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Kelly C

12-22-2002 09:06:58




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 Re: NH baler needles grooved in reply to James, 12-21-2002 15:11:48  
How much does a new needle cost?



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James

12-22-2002 09:54:31




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 Re: Re: NH baler needles grooved in reply to Kelly C, 12-22-2002 09:06:58  
I've not priced them, but I think I saw a post where someone said $140 each. I could buy a complete parts baler for that much($300).



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Kelly C

12-22-2002 14:56:08




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 Re: Re: Re: NH baler needles grooved in reply to James, 12-22-2002 09:54:31  
I got 2 NH 68 for $200 total. But I have to use 2 to make one.
good thing is I have 2 complete sets of knoters and 2 good sets of needles.



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Kelly C

12-22-2002 09:01:57




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 Re: NH baler needles grooved in reply to James, 12-21-2002 15:11:48  
How much does a new needle cost?



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James

12-22-2002 08:21:26




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 Re: NH baler needles grooved in reply to James, 12-21-2002 15:11:48  
I have one vote for cast iron, and one for cast steel. Is that the same thing?

I talked to a guy the other day who had broken his needles. He said they were cast steel, and that he was a welding instructor (I guessed at a high school?). He said he preheated his and welded with 7018 rod. I'm no welding expert, but if they were cast iron, that wouldn't work would it?



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JD

12-22-2002 14:51:56




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 Re: Re: NH baler needles grooved in reply to James, 12-22-2002 08:21:26  

New Holland balers have cast iron. John Deere. there not cast iron. Maybe cast steel. I know someone that bent the needles in there John Deere. I put them in my press. I could bend them real nice so they could use them. You cant do that with cast iron.



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JD

12-22-2002 06:57:26




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 Re: NH baler needles grooved in reply to James, 12-21-2002 15:11:48  

I weld them right in the baler. Take all the hay and twine out. Clean the baler really good. Some water on hand is good also. Trip the Knotter. Turn the flywheel by hand, so the needles go up into the knotter. You can work on them like this. The needles groove on the bottom side. I have used nickel, but stainless steel is even better. Allow to cool slow.

If your using DC and Nickel use reverse polarity.

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RIckB.

12-22-2002 03:53:19




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 Re: NH baler needles grooved in reply to James, 12-21-2002 15:11:48  
I have had success welding cast with a MIG welder using regular wire. Preheat the needle, weld it and bury it in a pot of sand or floordry to let it cool slowly (overnight). Then grind to finish. Braze will be too soft to last. The problem with leaving it alone is the knots connecting balls together will get caught in the groove and break the twine.



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kydavid

12-21-2002 17:55:24




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 Re: NH baler needles grooved in reply to James, 12-21-2002 15:11:48  
They are made out of cast iron, need to be welded with either Nickle/Manganese or stainless steel. Welding cast is not easy, requires some special techniques. I usually replace mine when they get grooved enough to cause problems, then weld them to keep as spares.



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Chris

12-21-2002 17:31:31




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 Re: NH baler needles grooved in reply to James, 12-21-2002 15:11:48  
We used to braise ours up. I believe they are made of cast steel and may not take to being welded real well.



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