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Tillage equipment required for grassfarming?

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chrismWA

04-27-1999 07:39:43




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I would like some basic information on what implements are necessary for plowing, planting, and maintaining forage in pasture. I've found a lot of information on the web about stock rotation, plant growth phases, etc. but have found little about how you actually get the buggers in the ground in the first place. . . I have about 20 acres in pasture. My rig is a 9N, yes I know its too small for one of those big multi-gang disks but let me know what yall think!

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Richard H.

04-30-1999 06:13:07




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 Re: Tillage equipment required for grassfarming? in reply to chrismWA, 04-27-1999 07:39:43  
I'd get someone out to look at your pasture and determine the condition. The NRCS (Natural Resoures Conservation Service, formerly the Soil Conservation Service) or the Extension Service can evaluate the pastures and see if interseeding or complete renovation is required. For 20 acres the economics may not be there for equipment purchases, even used. If renovation is needed a neighbor with the equip. may be the way to go. Check the soil types and pull soil tests to ensure fertility. The soil types need to be know inorder to match those plants that are suitable and adaptable. If for grazing, by all means read everything you can on rotational grazing; it works!! HTH

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bbott

04-28-1999 20:43:25




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 Re: Tillage equipment required for grassfarming? in reply to chrismWA, 04-27-1999 07:39:43  
Depends on what shape your pasture is in to begin with.

If you've got fair sod coverage and you're determined to do something, you can do a couple passes with a spring harrow to loosen things up and broadcast seed....let nature do the rest. (less is often better here..)

If It's in really bad shape, and you want it to be a 'first class pasture" disk at right angles till you've got it flattened and the soil is fiine & even. Harrow if you need to, Then you can broadcast seed followed by a 2 passes with light harrow at rt angles and roll it (or use a seed drill followed by a roller). Plan on this when there's going to be moisture to get the seed going.

Wait about 6 to 9 months to get good root structure before you mess around out there again. (This means no critters)

After that, if you don't abuse it and keep the thistle out (at least around here) you won't have to fool with it again for a long time.

Back to your original question....

A complete setup... disk, spring harrow, broadcast seeder (recommend it 'cause you can use most of them for pellitized fertilizer too)..., roller.

Depending on what you want to do with all that grass...

If you're gonna make hay, Flail type mower & rake or haybine, Baler (probably rectangular for a smaller farm)... or hire the baling out. Often done for "shares"...

The labor and liability laws have made it nearly impossible to hire high school kids... (my haybucking carreer ended about 30 years ago !)

Your ag agent can give recommendation for seed mixtures for your area. I think there was (still) even a program where the soil conservation service would give you enough seed to repasture 3 acres a year ....

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Phil in Mississippi

04-27-1999 14:53:38




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 Re: Tillage equipment required for grassfarming? in reply to chrismWA, 04-27-1999 07:39:43  
Two books that would be helpful if you can find them!

W. A. Thompson's "The Pasture Book" Not sure if it's still in print. Last edition about 1975. Very good for what your needing.

Phosporus and Potash Institute's "Southern Forages" 2nd edition about $ 25.00

Both maybe located thru the "Progressive Farmer" magazine! www.progressivefarmer.com

Try your county agent or maybe a local cattlemen's association if there is one in your area.

E-mail me if you have a problem locating these books.

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jrmo

04-27-1999 12:51:38




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 Re: Tillage equipment required for grassfarming? in reply to chrismWA, 04-27-1999 07:39:43  
In no way do I want any one to think I think I am an expert. But the guys on the N-board that use these little tractors quite a bit say it's a good idea to disc first. Then plow then disc. I can tell you from personal experience this worked best for me. the only part I turned under was along one egde for a food plot for deer. It just made every thing work smoother.

But like one of the other posts wrote. Once or twice a year with the brush hog to keep the brush down and rotate the stock. I know my place was weeds and brush when I bought it 8 years ago. I hired the neighbor with a big 8ft pull type brush hog to go over about 10 acres for the first 2 years. Then I bought an 8N and a 4ft brush hog and kept the cedars at bay and I now have very good grass where the soil was any count to start with. Hope this helps.

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Aaron

04-27-1999 09:16:28




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 Re: Tillage equipment required for grassfarming? in reply to chrismWA, 04-27-1999 07:39:43  
Depending on what is there now, you will need a plow, disk, harrow or cultipacker, and a drill or broadcast seeder. Plow first, then disk, then harrow, then drill or broadcast and harrow again. Any other questions, feel free to e-mail me. I've done this many times and know how it's done.
Aaron



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Old Sarge

04-28-1999 16:40:36




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 Re: Re: Tillage equipment required for grassfarming? in reply to Aaron, 04-27-1999 09:16:28  

No! No! No! 10,000 times No!

If your field is already SOD; #1 First with that little 9N ya gotta disc the He-- out of it while it's moist else you'll pull the guts outa the tractor.

That is if you're determined ta reseed it.



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Tim

04-27-1999 09:52:12




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 Re: Re: Tillage equipment required for grassfarming? in reply to Aaron, 04-27-1999 09:16:28  
Or, if you're not interested in maximum production, just fence it in, provide good water, and turn the critters loose. They'll improve the pasture for you. To increase production, the best next step in my opinion is divide the pasture up and do rotational grazing. Bush-hogging once or twice a year will help remove undesirable species.Reseeding is expensive and may not benefit you much in terms of animal production. A lot depends on the condition of your fields and what kind of stock you want to raise.

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jackson

04-27-1999 22:20:24




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 Re: Re: Re: Tillage equipment required for grassfarming? in reply to Tim, 04-27-1999 09:52:12  
I agree with you. Maybe a little leveling but turning the animals out works good. Especially if you feed good stuff with seed heads when the grass is dry...



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Rick K

04-30-1999 09:08:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Tillage equipment required for grassfarming? in reply to jackson, 04-27-1999 22:20:24  
I have been working to turn a weed pasture into something nice for 7 years now. We have been grazing a horse and several llamas on the pasture.

The ctitters eat all the good stuff, so you have to mow it once in a while to keep the weeds under control.

I do a complete mowing in the late november and late april. I also do a little bit each month, so that the whole pasture gets mowed once more throughout the summer - can't do it all at once or there will not be anything left for them to eat.

Just mowing it helped, but I could see that it was deteriorating each year. Topical application of enough lime to bring the PH of to 6.5 - 7 (it took couple tons/Acre altogether over three years) helped reduce the weeds - apparently the weeds prefered acid soil. I did a N-P-K test and found little nutrients, so lots of 20-20-20 have been going on it as well the last couple years.

Right now it looks real good. I haven't ran any impliments across it at all. One thing about grazing animals on a pasture is that, since they eat only the good stuff, they poop only stuff with good seeds in it. This tends to naturally re-seed the pasture.

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