Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Attention Forum Users: On the 28th of December 2023 at 9:00am Central Time, we will be taking the forums down for maintenance while we prepare the new forums for your use. Please click here for more information.

Discussion Forum

New Holland Baler Advise Sought

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
JKC

12-17-2002 13:33:11




Report to Moderator

I am just getting into small-time hay production for our horses.....5 acres of hay at-most. I would like to purchase a used NH baler for small square (traditional-size) bales, but know nothing about what is good and what is bad. The following balers are available to me for sale, and was wondering what models you would recommend, or stay away from. I have also listed some haybines and rakes I would like advise on. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

NH 273 baler NH 469 haybine NH 55 rake
NH 310 baler NH 472 haybine NH 56 rake
NH 311 baler NH 488 haybine NH 256 rake
NH 570 baler NH 489 haybine NH 258 rake
NH 575 baler NH 499 haybine

I look forward to any responses. Thanks.

[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
Steve from New Holland

12-19-2002 09:44:29




Report to Moderator
 Re: New Holland Baler Advise Sought in reply to JKC, 12-17-2002 13:33:11  
JKC, I read all the replys and they are very good. But I like the one who told you that the key here is 5 acres. I would buy the cheapest equipment, unless it was ready for the junk pile. I like 273 balers, 4669 haybines, and 55 rakes. However, those who said the straight axle rakes aren't as good are correct, but remember, 5 acres. Steve



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Frank

12-18-2002 10:33:13




Report to Moderator
 Re: New Holland Baler Advise Sought in reply to JKC, 12-17-2002 13:33:11  
See the post by Steve from NH about a year ago; he discusses the 310 problem. I was looking to move to a baler w. thrower for my similar size hay operation a year ago. I got a NH 310 and it worked fine-- missed one bale while changing between balls of twine.

ANY of these machines will handle your operation; one point that should be emphasized is availability of service. You do not want to be reading "Knotter Repair for Dummies" when you have hay ready. I have a good NH shop near me and they deserve a lot of credit for my baler's success.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
paul

12-18-2002 08:20:42




Report to Moderator
 Re: New Holland Baler Advise Sought in reply to JKC, 12-17-2002 13:33:11  
The point here is to remember 5 acres.... The balers you list are way overkill. Work fine, but why spend $1-3000 when $3-500 will do just fine.

I have a NH 270,good baler, slightly slower through-put. I bale 12-15 acres of alfalfa & 15 acres of ditch hay, 2000 bales of straw with it every year. No need for a bigger faster baler for small acreage! Any NH baler from the 68 on up will do you fine, if it is in good serviceable condition.

JD also made good older balers. I am not familiar with them, as the NH270 has put out about 100,000 bales in my lifetime, with very few parts needed. Both JD & MH figured out the knotters fist & best, so these are often the best older balers to buy.

Do _NOT_ concern yourself about packer forks and such, as on guy suggested. It's a non-issue for less than a full-time hay operation. Basically, any NH baler that is newer than the wad-board system will do well for you on under 15 acres of hay.

Side rakes, any of those will do you fine. If it were me, this is the area I would skimp on if I were on a budget. Sometimes you can pick up a cheap rake for $50. They don't have the speed or capacity a real hay producer needs, but they rake 20 acres of hay just fine. The very old 4-wheel rakes work, but are a pain to back up with & manuver. I have a NH 55, they go about $300 here, and work fine, any part you need is available. The NH 56 has the right wheel tucked in behind the basket, it would follow ground contures a bit better, that might be worth an extra $200 to you, but don't worry about it on less than 20 acres. You do not need to spend over $1000 on a side rake unless you do a few 100 acres of hay, that would be a waste of money. Look for one that is solid & will work for years, and buy cheap for 5 acres.

I'm not familiar with NH mowers, but it seems you got good advise on those. If you are putting up grass or a grass mix, you could very, very easily get by with a simple bar mower, they sell for $150-450. There may be a time or two when your hay doesn't dry down as quickly & catches some rain, but really, for 5 acres, you are looking at way overkill on the hay mowers. But, if you got the money, you are looking at good ones.

Now please, don't tell us you were planning to pull all this with a Ford 8N..... ;) ;) ;) Just joshin' with you. :) But, mower conditioners & the bigger balers do take a bigger tractor, you'll need the horses & weight to pull those if you go big.

Oh, locally people HATE wire tie balers, metal in the fields & in the feed, no one here wants that. It would be hard to sell wire-tied here. I have never even seen a wire-tie, and do not see wire available to make the bales. Good old sisal is king here. Plastic is not liked either, as it never, never, never goes away. It stays in the environment, plugging up your mower, wrapping around your wheel bearings & wrecking them, etc. You can run plastic in a twine baler, but might take a bit better settings on the knotters. (Plastic is used a lot for big round bales, stored outside...)

On 15 acres or less, any good-condition older NH or JD baler, a sickle mower (or conditioner if you can afford & have alfalfa), and a NH 56 (or cheap if you are on a budget) rake will make your hay year in & year out.

--->Paul

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Kelly C

12-18-2002 10:34:14




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: New Holland Baler Advise Sought in reply to paul, 12-18-2002 08:20:42  
Good points Paul. I agree with all of them.
I have even followed your advise at times.
I am going to be doing between 5 and 25 acres of hay.
Farmall H $1350
M&W clutch $300
IH sickle mower $100
JD # 5 Sickle mower $25 Could not pass up for $25
New Holland 68 $200 for 2 of them.
Minnesota side Rake $225
Hay Rack $150
Rpair parts, paint and ect est. $225 so far.
Maybe another $300 or so in repairs coming
$2875 total to do hay.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Kelly C

12-18-2002 10:44:24




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: New Holland Baler Advise Sought in reply to Kelly C, 12-18-2002 10:34:14  
One other thing. By buying stuff that needs some repair. You can add to the net worth of your equipment instead of losing.

My H is worth about $1700
My NH 68 will be worth $ 800 Here in this part of MN.
My Rake $400
JD#5 maybe $150 after repair.
IH mower. I got took on that one. $75
Hay Rack $350
Thats $3475 in Value.
Of course I did not subtract my time, as I want to do it.
If I did not have time I would buy better equipment.
Still I would rather buy some thing that I know whats wrong with it. Than buy some one elses good looking Junk. I got burned on a real good looking 68 Camaro one time.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
smirkey

12-18-2002 06:09:05




Report to Moderator
 Re: New Holland Baler Advise Sought in reply to JKC, 12-17-2002 13:33:11  
for 5 acres go cheap! but a 311 is the best baler you cited, also the 488 is simple long proven design.any new holland baler can be made to tie 998 out of 1000 for about 150 dollars in parts.i'd also look at a 276, 315-316 baler



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Rick

12-18-2002 05:51:57




Report to Moderator
 Re: New Holland Baler Advise Sought in reply to JKC, 12-17-2002 13:33:11  
Jkc.I have run several balers here is my 2 cents. Any early New HOlland I would stay away from and choose deere in those years,cause of no packer fork. The New Holland 570 and on would be excellent but over kill for you. I would strongly suggest Deere 327,336 etc for baler. The rakes and mow machines you listed will be fine. Use poly twine period and save yourself alot of headaches. Just for info know wher real nice 327 JD baler,488mow cond,56 rake if that would help. Let me know and I can get you connected with the sellers. Good Luck. If you do this baling by yourself alot get yourself a balebasket wagon. They work slick. Let me know if need more info.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Sam (MO)

12-18-2002 05:44:55




Report to Moderator
 Re: New Holland Baler Advise Sought in reply to JKC, 12-17-2002 13:33:11  
JKC

I have the following, NH 472 haybine, NH 310 baler and a NH tedder can't remember the model number. All of it was purchased used. The 472 has not given me any trouble, it's easy to adjust and service. Just check-out the wobble box. The 310 baler is a good machine, but it likes to be in adjustment. It misses about 3 out of 100 bales. The drive chains need to be tight or you'll eat flywheel bolts like candy. The Tedder is really neat, got talked into it but happy with it now. It will take two seven foot windrows and makes one good windrow for the 310. If the hay gets wet you can flip the dogs and spread the out to dry. Over all I am very happy with my NH equipment. Good luck!!

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
chief 83

12-17-2002 20:20:41




Report to Moderator
 Re: New Holland Baler Advise Sought in reply to JKC, 12-17-2002 13:33:11  
I've got a 315. I have only used it one season but liked it very much. It did not miss a bale. Around 1700. It was much better than my old Case 200. I don't think you can go too wrong with any of the NH stuff as long as it's in decent shape.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Gary in TX

12-17-2002 17:50:41




Report to Moderator
 Re: New Holland Baler Advise Sought in reply to JKC, 12-17-2002 13:33:11  
As a custom hay baling operator my personal choice of those you listed would be the 311 baler, 488 haybine and the 256 rake. I run a 469 haybine, John Deere 1380 hydroswing 14' cut mo co, 2 new holland 56 rakes, John Deere 346 square baler and John Deere 530 Round Baler. For your own personal use I would recommend a twine square baler(my preferance, but I run a wire baler to satisfy customers). Feel free to email if you would like to talk hay baling.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Gary in TX

12-17-2002 17:45:58




Report to Moderator
 Re: New Holland Baler Advise Sought in reply to JKC, 12-17-2002 13:33:11  
As a custom hay baling operator my personal choice of those you listed would be the 311 baler, 488 haybine and the 256 rake. I run a 469 haybine, John Deere 1380 hydroswing 14' cut mo co, 2 new holland 56 rakes, John Deere 346 square baler and John Deere 530 Round Baler. For your own personal use I would recommend a twine square baler(my preferance, but I run a wire baler to satisfy customers). Feel free to email if you would like to talk hay baling.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
RickB.

12-17-2002 16:01:39




Report to Moderator
 Re: New Holland Baler Advise Sought in reply to JKC, 12-17-2002 13:33:11  
The 55 rake has a straight axle, doesn't follow the ground as well as the rest. 56 and 256 are identical except age and decal. 258 is wider than the rest, not an issue for a 9' mower-conditioner. The 472 is a 7' machine, parts will be obsolete sooner than for a 9'of the same age. 469,479 and 488 good design, 69 and 79 getting old. 489 is OK but overrated; check over rear of tongue and wobble box. 499, 570 & 575 probably overpriced and overkill for your needs; stay with 9' haybine and a good current baler for you is a 565.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
TP from Central PA

12-17-2002 15:52:58




Report to Moderator
 Re: New Holland Baler Advise Sought in reply to JKC, 12-17-2002 13:33:11  
The 273 was alittle slow but a great baler, the 311 was an awesome baler! The ones my neighbor has is a hog!! If I was you I would go alittle smaller for 5 acres unless you wanted to expand later..... ...I would look for a NH 268 or 269. We have a Super 269 and it works great for our 7 acres of hay and 4 of rye straw along with the 200 or so corn fodder bales we put up.

The 489 works great for people around here, although we use a 5209 NI disk-bine.

I can't help with rakes since we run NI 404 wheel rakes here, along with an old steel wheeled NI.

For 5 acres I wouldn't go crazy on large equipment. I would probably look for a NH 269 baler, 404 NI wheel rake(they sell cheap) and a NH 489 Haybine or even a pt sickle bar if you are putting up grasses since they dry faster than say alfalfa.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Brandon

12-17-2002 15:37:02




Report to Moderator
 Re: New Holland Baler Advise Sought in reply to JKC, 12-17-2002 13:33:11  
I have been around the 273 and 311. Both are good balers. Cheeper than the 570 and 575 also! The 310 i've heard is a little iffy, depends on what shape it's in though. As for the haybines and rakes, NH made the best. Any of them are good. Good luck with your haying operation. Brandon



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy