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Brian

09-28-2002 18:45:11




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I have used both JD and Oliver drag plows to plow down corn stalks. I brush hog the stalks first but they still plug up. A friend of mine told me he takes the coulters off when he plows corn ground. Any ideas? I'm about ready to break out the modern hi clearance plows.




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Brian

10-01-2002 21:49:37




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 Re: Plowing corn stalks in reply to Brian, 09-28-2002 18:45:11  
Thanks for all the great ideas. I ended up breaking out the hi clearance plows and I never had to get off the tractor. I did take the coulters off the Oliver drag plow and it did work but boy did it pull hard!



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Jay

09-30-2002 08:49:46




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 Re: Plowing corn stalks in reply to Brian, 09-28-2002 18:45:11  
Am I doing something wrong? I usually just mow the corn with my flail mower, seed my winter rye for a cover crop and disk it quickly in the fall. Have never had any trouble plowing in the spring. I did leave the corn up one year for the winter figuring that the wildlife would like it, I had a little trouble in the spring plowing, but more thoubles with the little bugs ect that overwinter in the stalks. I'll never leave the corn up for the winter again.

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paul

09-30-2002 11:52:13




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 Re: Re: Plowing corn stalks in reply to Jay, 09-30-2002 08:49:46  
Nothing wrong with that at all. 'Here' in MN, the spring is very wet from snow melt & rains, and it is difficult to plow in spring, get a non-lumpy seedbed from our clay soils, keep the weeds down that seem to sprout 5 times as well in spring plowing, and get a crop in during our short growing season. So, 'here' that would not often work out well, it would greatly reduce next year's crop. However, in more moderate climates, I think your ways work well.

--->Paul

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tim[in]

09-29-2002 09:06:14




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 Re: Plowing corn stalks in reply to Brian, 09-28-2002 18:45:11  
i have used the modern high clearance plows and they plug too. the big thing is the "rake" or distance between each moldboard.all of these little tricks above will help some.remember , nothing ever works quite like the adds promise!!



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Lance Ropte

09-29-2002 04:37:38




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 Re: Plowing corn stalks in reply to Brian, 09-28-2002 18:45:11  
After chopping corn stalks with a flail type chopper,we always disk the corn ground deep and kitty corner. Then we plowed the ground with a case 4x14" plow with M&W Trashmaster colters on it. These kind of colters do a real good job of covering the trash. We used to use Lance cutter colters and had the same resuts. You would rarly ever see a trace of trash visible to the naked eye. We also pulled one section of pointed tooth drag behind the plow. No one could tell what crop had been plowed under.

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paul

09-29-2002 14:23:11




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 Re: Re: Plowing corn stalks in reply to Lance Ropte, 09-29-2002 04:37:38  
That works, & lots of folks do that. Altho the govt wants us to stop tillage all together, and just no-till & use spray. That is better for the environment...

You are using a lot of energy to go over the ground 3 times, with power-using implements.

My thought has always been to just plow, if at all possible. Let a few stalks stick out to slow erosion.

If the stalks or ground conditions do not allow, then chop or disk them, see if that makes it go. Less fuel used is better, in my opinion. However, I'm trying to make a profit on the land, if this is just for fun, do what works.

--->Paul

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Farmered

09-29-2002 03:05:43




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 Re: Plowing corn stalks in reply to Brian, 09-28-2002 18:45:11  
I learned a trick many years ago to cover corn stalks. Get some heavy wire. (no. 9 smooth fence wire will do) Fasten about 8 or 10 feet of it to the coulter standard and let it drag back under the furrow being turned. It will neatly tuck the stalks under. Use one for each bottom. Ed



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paul

09-29-2002 10:19:49




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 Re: Re: Plowing corn stalks in reply to Farmered, 09-29-2002 03:05:43  
Do _not_ disk, chop, or mow the stalks if you try this.

Getting through stalks with an older plow is more art than science. Plowing undisturbed stalks in a light rain works the _best_.

Sometimes disking helps, sometimes it makes it worse.

The plow needs to be set right, the coulters need to be large & set just right.

Stalk chopper (big rotory mower-type) will make it work. The brush hog probably does some windrowing, which makes it harder.

Some years, the best is to do nothing & throw the coulters off, if the stalks are tough they will pull through on their own.

In dry years, probably need to chop them up with a chopper ot disk. Oh, old-fashioned rolling chopper too, they were long blades that rolled through the field.

You can get the stalk wheels that chain to the back of the plow, wipe much of the stalks into the furrow (like a wheel rake that lays on the ground, sort of?). But, makes a lot of trash in the furrow, harder plowing that way.

In short, there are lots of things to try. But, you can't go back after trying some of them. Try it without doing anything to the stalks. If that doesn't work, then try something else.

Big new coulters, & plow set right are the major things tho. Did I mention big new coulters?

--->Paul

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Butch(OH)

10-01-2002 04:28:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Plowing corn stalks in reply to paul, 09-29-2002 10:19:49  
Hey Paul, been there-done that. Sounds like your stalk plowing experience is exactly like mine. Before a person heads to the field to plow stalks from good corn all of the coulter adjustments need to be freed up, it's a whole lot easier to do this at the shop where you have tools than in the field with a rock and a pair of channel locks. Another thing that will help a person get the plow working as good as can be is to PAY ATTENTION to exactly how the stalks are plugging the plow. I have seen problems with the front bottom gathering stalks and letting them go only to plug the bottom behind and the operator kept screwing with the back bottom. I have also seeen coulters so low that the shanks were dragging and the operator said the disks wern't cutting. If you can't watch the plow and keep the tractor in the furrow get a helper to drive so you can watch the plow. If you can't get the stalks through and feel that chopping is the only solution plan on disking also, chopping only never worked for me.

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Roy in UK

09-29-2002 03:33:20




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 Re: Re: Plowing corn stalks in reply to Farmered, 09-29-2002 03:05:43  
They used to do that years ago with horse drawn plows here in the UK, (except they used a length of chain with a weight fastened to the end of it) for burying trash. I think they were known as "clog chains".



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gene

09-28-2002 22:18:15




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 Re: Plowing corn stalks in reply to Brian, 09-28-2002 18:45:11  
the first thing you need to have is good coulters. they cant be wore out, they have to be able to cut the trash. if you have cover boards take them off. an look carefully at the plow an get it set right. johndeeregene



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Farmer

09-28-2002 19:34:46




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 Re: Plowing corn stalks in reply to Brian, 09-28-2002 18:45:11  
Did you disc the ground before trying to plow? Seems like most of the old drag plows had as much or more clearence than a lot of new ones. If you go to a 16 or 18 inch bottom that would work better. IF you run a heavy disc over the stocks at least once or twice that will help a lot too



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Alvin NE WI

09-28-2002 19:11:26




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 Re: Plowing corn stalks in reply to Brian, 09-28-2002 18:45:11  
Most of the older plows just do not have enough vertical clearence and the bottoms are too close together to take all the corn trash. May as well step up the the high clearence ones to save your religion. Alvin



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Alvin NE WI

09-28-2002 19:09:21




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 Re: Plowing corn stalks in reply to Brian, 09-28-2002 18:45:11  
Most of the older plows just do not have enough vertical clearence and the bottoms are too close together to take all the corn trash. May as well step up the the high clearence ones to save your religion. Alvin



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Brian Schmidt

09-28-2002 19:19:56




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 Re: Re: Plowing corn stalks in reply to Alvin NE WI, 09-28-2002 19:09:21  
I had the same trouble plowing a buddies 10 acres with my 2-14 Little Genius plow this spring. It kept plugging on all the corn trash. Found that raising the coulters about an inch helped out tremendously. You could also just raise the whole plow that inch or so and just not plow so deep. This accomplished the same thing.



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