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Brandon

09-17-2002 12:01:02

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I have a knotter on a NH 310 that will tie 3 bales just fine then miss 2 or 3. When it misses, it ties one end of the twine and leaves the other. I noticed the ends of the knot are shorter than normal. Is there an adjustment I can make on it?? Any help is great. Thanks,
Brandon

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Rick

09-20-2002 08:58:42

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Re: NH Knotter in reply to Brandon, 09-17-2002 12:01:02

I have a Manual just for the NH knotters, for standard knotters and Heavy duty knotters. It is like brand new and it covers the NH 310. I got it with my baler. If you would like to buy it I could sell it to you for 18.00 + shipping.

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09-18-2002 21:56:24

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Re: NH Knotter in reply to Brandon, 09-17-2002 12:01:02

My old baler did the same thing until I found that there is a lever that moves the twine from the needle over so it doesn't ride off the end of the billhook when it rotates. It was stuck from the winter moisture here. The thing would do real well on that one end though. It's not a NH though.

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Glenn Neumann

09-18-2002 05:59:57

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Re: NH Knotter in reply to Brandon, 09-17-2002 12:01:02

You seem to already have lots of good advice, however I'll add my 2 cents. 1)the manual is great for parts identification and many but NOT ALL adjustment. 2)The troubleshooting guide I find confusing and misleading. Its better off to try and verify each part is properly adjusted, when possible compare one good knotter side to the bad. 3)I found some of the heavy sheet metal that my knotter parts were mounted on was rusted and bending when in action. I had to draw diagram & get local shop to cut (3/16 thick) Later, I e-mailed NH and they graciously e-mailed blueprint of part that was no longer manufactured 4) I found the same problem the Leroy described. A well adjusted baler has more of a swish sound than a chunking sound.

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NHBalerman

09-17-2002 19:00:03

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Re: NH Knotter in reply to Brandon, 09-17-2002 12:01:02

Brandon, I need to know which string on the bale is not tied,I mean is it the string that goes around the bale which is held by the knotter or is it the string that is brought up by the needles, If it is the string around the bale it is probably coming out of the twine holder,try tightening the tension a quarter round at a time, or may have to replace the twine disc,holder & spring,if it missing the string coming up from the needle check needle adjustment then twine finger adjustment(in that order)and check the hay dogs and the springs this is the most common fix for this problem without getting too technical. If you need more help ,just ask. HTH

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Brandon

09-18-2002 05:52:53

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Re: Re: NH Knotter in reply to NHBalerman, 09-17-2002 19:00:03

The one that doesn't tie is the one that goes around the bale, not the one that the needles bring up. How do i adjust the twine holder? I tried adjusting it a little and didn't seem to help. How do I replace the twine holder?

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[email protected]

09-17-2002 18:47:40

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Re: NH Knotter in reply to Brandon, 09-17-2002 12:01:02

Burrhead covered just about all bases, one thing
that can cause your problem that he didn't mention
was the porcelain insullator the twine rides through could have a grove wore in them causing the twine to hang up in them, have experience this probem once and it gave me fits until I found
the problem, but I am more inclined to think the
twine tention spring out side the twine box is
not tight enough. Hope you get the problem solved.

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Burrhead

09-17-2002 20:03:01

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Re: Re: NH Knotter in reply to [email protected], 09-17-2002 18:47:40

Good answer. I slam forgot the insulaters.

That's okay tho NHBalerboy can ask that when he ask him what his maiden name was, and which side of the family his uncle was on..... .....danged yuppie techs.

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NHBalerman

09-17-2002 20:12:25

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Re: Re: Re: NH Knotter in reply to Burrhead, 09-17-2002 20:03:01

No,No,No Iam not one of those yuppy techs,I am just a East Texas country boy that collects NH balers and makes his living baling hay. I guess through the years I have just about seen all the problems with balers, the dealers tell customers to call me when they have baler troubles( they don't know) Yall have a good day.

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Burrhead

09-17-2002 21:37:50

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Re: Re: Re: Re: NH Knotter in reply to NHBalerman, 09-17-2002 20:12:25

LMAO. If you're in the same part of Tx I'm in you get plenty of calls then.

The NH dealer is pretty good at the shop but the JD dealer on both sides of me don't know which end of the animal to put hay in much less how to bale hay.

Dang it I jess knew I was trolling in a mud yuppie.

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Leroy

09-17-2002 18:27:53

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Re: NH Knotter in reply to Brandon, 09-17-2002 12:01:02

I am not familar with that 310 but it may be like the 66 is with slides on the plunger that if they are worn will cause that, same thing on International 46 baler. You will not find this in the operators manual. we used to have a 66 that was that way, replaced every thing else, no better, dad finally got a different mechanic out, said the slides were worn out and causing the problem, Dad said I don't believe it but go ahead and change them, was done and was like a new baler, took care of the problem, never mentioned in any operators manual.

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Burrhead

09-17-2002 16:34:52

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Re: NH Knotter in reply to Brandon, 09-17-2002 12:01:02

Here's something to start with.

1. Too much clearance between twine fingers and needles.

2. Too much clearance between top of plunger and top of bale chamber.

3. Twine disc timing

4. Bill hook not opening far enuff

5. Bent bill hook tongue

6. Wore out twine finger cam.

7. Not enuff tension on twine tensioner holding spring.

Now then if that aint enuff

1. if you have the bale density set too light, or too heavy, or the windrow is too light, or windrow too heavy it will screwup the knots with everything mechanically okay.

1. If it's the twine finger cam wore out you'll have to replace it.

2. If the bill hooks are bent they need to be replaced but if they are bent you can straighten them with a torch and vice.

If there is a groove wore down deep in the shaft roller for the bill hooks you can pressure fit a brass bushing over the present roller billhook bushing and take the slack out.

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chaney creek

09-17-2002 17:07:42

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Re: Re: NH Knotter in reply to Burrhead, 09-17-2002 16:34:52

and on and on it goes

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Burrhead

09-17-2002 17:53:18

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Re: Re: Re: NH Knotter in reply to chaney creek, 09-17-2002 17:07:42

That aint no joke.

Without a manual it's kindly like duck taping yore eyes shet an doing some target practice

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chaneycreek

09-17-2002 16:34:17

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Re: NH Knotter in reply to Brandon, 09-17-2002 12:01:02

You will be better off to buy an operators manual from the dealer. Take your serial and model numbers. They have trouble shooting sections in them and from the two baler manuals I have, they are pretty thorough and even have pictures of your situation.

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chaneycreek

09-17-2002 16:33:45

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