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Frenchy

09-15-2002 13:43:16




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I want to buy a tractor to restore as a hobby but would like to get something that I can also use on my small 70 Acre hobby farm ( mowing ,snow removal ect.)preferably something that I can mount a loader on. Can anyone offer advice on a "practical"
model. I am a mechanic new to tractors.

Thanks




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WILL

09-17-2002 12:54:53




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 Re: Practical antique shopping in reply to Frenchy, 09-15-2002 13:43:16  
PHIL OU SAID YOU 70 ACRES BUY SOMETHING NEWER THAN 8N SOMETHING WITH LIVE PTO YOU WILL GLAD YOU DID DOWN THE ROAD 8N IS A OVER SIZED LAWN MOWER
THEY SPELL DANGER THE 800 FORD IS A GOOD LOOKING TRACTOR PAINTED UP



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chaney creek

09-17-2002 17:03:12




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 Re: Re: Practical antique shopping in reply to WILL, 09-17-2002 12:54:53  
Just me, but have you looked at an International 454 diesel. (Made from 1970 to 74) This tractor has 38 h.p. power steering, hydralic hook ups, remote pto, . I got one used with a Farmhand loader and a grader box. I have plowed, pulled, dug, baled, and mowed with Lil Red and loved every minute of it... Eight forward gears and reverse. saw on on ebay but it was gas powered. They should be reasonably priced and parts are readily available from the case or international dealer.

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Phil (VA)

09-17-2002 08:00:00




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 Re: Practical antique shopping in reply to Frenchy, 09-15-2002 13:43:16  
If you really want a loader, and if you plan for this to be your only tractor and not just used as a loader tractor, you definitely will want power steering. That eliminates many of the choices already recommended.



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Bill

09-16-2002 18:19:00




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 Re: Practical antique shopping in reply to Frenchy, 09-15-2002 13:43:16  

If you are going to farm any of your 70, that is row crop farming, i would opt for , and in this order, farmall, JD, allis if you want to save a numbered antique. They made zillons of fords, and a great number of them are still being used today. The old ones listed above, in the 40s or 50s arent being used much today and are the true antiques, also, if you do buy a n eries ford, and you intend to farm any with it,youll get to ber a good tractor machanic quick, although maybe a bald one lol

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Paul R.

09-16-2002 08:51:43




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 Re: Practical antique shopping in reply to Frenchy, 09-15-2002 13:43:16  
Lots of good choices out there, but the Ford 8N is hard to beat. Plently around to choose from, all parts still available, has the 3-point hitch, hydraulic lift, and the power take off on the back, giving you real versatility. A good one will still put out 25 h.p. Not too big, not too small, they're manuverable, easy to get on and off of, stable, easy to work on, etc. They're not the best tractor for a front end loader, but lots of them are used for it, so they will work. No live hydraulics either: you only have hydraulic pressure/lift when the clutch is out. If you step on the clutch to stop, you disengage the pump as well. Mostly, that's just something to get used to, not a big problem.

Figure around $3000 for a real good working tractor. There's lots of others you can get for that much $$, but they won't have all the features the 8N has. My Dad had 3 Farmalls, the big red ones used by "real" farmers. They mostly sit around the shed looking nice while my rusty, oily, 4-colored 8N is out doing some real work. Good luck.

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Frenchy

09-16-2002 13:26:56




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 Re: Re: Practical antique shopping in reply to Paul R., 09-16-2002 08:51:43  
Thanks guy,s for what seem like good advice.
The Fords seem to be recomended and I think I know of a good one for sale. Should I be concerned about witch model (8N-9N?)

Are loaders common for these

Thanks again



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Paul R.

09-17-2002 03:19:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Practical antique shopping in reply to Frenchy, 09-16-2002 13:26:56  
9/2N's had 3-speed gearboxes, 8N had 4. 8N also added draft control, very handy for plowing, blading, cultivating, etc. 8N is better all-around, but the 9/2's are still great little tractors.

Loaders are easy to find. But like BG says, they make it hard to steer: too much weight on the front. The later Fords, like the Hundred series are dang good tractors too. I don't need a front loader, so I'm happy with the 8N.

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Paul R.

09-17-2002 03:19:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Practical antique shopping in reply to Frenchy, 09-16-2002 13:26:56  
9/2N's had 3-speed gearboxes, 8N had 4. 8N also added draft control, very handy for plowing, blading, cultivating, etc. 8N is better all-around, but the 9/2's are still great little tractors.

Loaders are easy to find. But like BG says, they make it hard to steer: too much weight on the front. The later Fords, like the Hundred series are dang good tractors too. I don't need a front loader, so I'm happy with the 8N.

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Ultradog MN

09-17-2002 05:01:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Practical antique shopping in reply to Jim.UT, 09-16-2002 15:52:30  
I have to second Jim's thoughts on getting a "hundred series" Ford over an N.
They have more of the most desireable features like live pto and live hydraulics. They also have a little more HP without being too big and unweildly. I have a 2N Ford that I like a lot for mowing, snow plowing and general putting around.
But one of these days it's gonna have to make room for a hundred series- Hopefully a 600. Expect to pay about $1000 more for a good 600 than an N. But the extra dough would be well spent.
Whatever you buy, good luck. And welcome to YTMAG.com

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chris

09-16-2002 08:10:53




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 Re: Practical antique shopping in reply to Frenchy, 09-15-2002 13:43:16  
any JD, Ford, Farmall, whatever over about 25HP as mentioned is good but if you want to put a front end loader on, one with a wide front is much better. While some Farmall H and M's were available with wide front, they are somewhat rare, more so than narrow ones. I would opt for a Ford or Massey Ferguson with wide front and 3-pt hitch. I have a Massey 35 with loader and 3-pt and that is a tough tractor but powerful enough for most farm chores. Mine is a Utility so it has a heavier front end to support the loader, otherwise, I'd be replacing bearings, etc. all the time. Sorry for long post. Just my thoughts and experience.

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Leroy

09-16-2002 06:07:47




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 Re: Practical antique shopping in reply to Frenchy, 09-15-2002 13:43:16  
Utility type with wide front end, not much difference for you between cat. 1 & 2 hitch, Cat 2 hitch would be little heiver



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Tom A

09-16-2002 03:07:24




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 Re: Practical antique shopping in reply to Frenchy, 09-15-2002 13:43:16  
Hi Frenchy:

We've all got our preferences and predjudices, but I think in general you want something you can easily take care of and which will be generally useful. So that means you should start looking at whatever brand is most prevalent in your area--whether it is Fords, or J Deeres, Farmalls or whatever. That will give you a local source of help, and probably parts. Also get a brand/model which there are a lot of built, which ensures that new or aftermarket parts are readily available and cheap...parts availability is the biggest drawback to getting an 'orphan' tractor, although if you are really dedicated and have your own machine shop you can do it.

As far as features go, I'd suggest a standard category 1 3 point hitch, PTO ("live" is better, but not essential), and at least 25 horses to do much useful work.

Beware of newly-painted machines! Many of these have had problems painted over, and once they run a few hours, the problems become apparent (and usually costly). On the other hand, you're a mechanic so don't shy away from one that isn't running well: mine didn't, but it only took me some hours, stretched over about 6 months that I was working her, to get her running like new (for example, the carb had been reassembled wrong! Ran ok, but I got double the power once I put it together right).

Anyway, I have a Ford 8N and love it and would heartily suggest it as a good first tractor. It is rugged, parts are available all over, the 2N-8N board here on this site is the best for getting help and expertise. The *only* drawback is that the PTO isn't "live" but I've learned to work without it.

good luck,
Tom A

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Ron/PA

09-16-2002 04:10:14




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 Re: Re: Practical antique shopping in reply to Tom A, 09-16-2002 03:07:24  
Hi Frenchy, We have several tractors on our small farm, Farmall H, AC-WD, Farmall A, Ford 9-N and 8-N and of them all I would never get rid of the fords, They are versitile and easy to work on, and get parts for. Great little tractor for all around work and always a ton of help in restoring over on the N page. Good luck Ron



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WILL

09-17-2002 12:48:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Practical antique shopping in reply to Ron/PA, 09-16-2002 04:10:14  
WHY IS EVERY ONE CRAZY OVER 8 N FORD HAVE EVER RAKE HAY OR MOWED WITH THEM YOU MASH THE CLUTCH AND STILL KEEP GOING YOU HAVE TO RUN THE PTO FOR LIFT TO WORK THEY SPELL DANGER I GREW UP RUNNING ONE AND HAVE SEEN PEOPLE HURT WITH THEM FOR A LITTLE MORE MONEY YOU CAN FIND A TRACTOR WITH LIVE PTO FORD 3000 DIESEL 35 MF 135 MF DIESEL ARE GOOD TRACTORS GO TO A AUCTION LOOK AROUND TAKE SOMEONE WHO KNOWS TRACTOR GET SOMETHING YOU CAN WORK WITH 8N WAS A GOOD TRACTOR FOR ITS TIME

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Tom A

09-18-2002 02:35:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Practical antique shopping in reply to WILL, 09-17-2002 12:48:18  
Will:

A $60 ORC fixes the overrunning problem you describe. The 8N is a reliable, easy to maintain, inexpensive tractor that is hard to beat for small places. Yep, live PTO would be nice, but isn't needed. And on my hilly land, because it is low to the ground it is the *only* safe tractor.

Tom



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WILL

09-17-2002 12:46:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Practical antique shopping in reply to Ron/PA, 09-16-2002 04:10:14  
WHY IS EVERY ONE CRAZY OVER 8 N FORD HAVE EVER RAKE HAY OR MOWED WITH THEM YOU MASH THE CLUTCH AND STILL KEEP GOING YOU HAVE TO RUN THE PTO FOR LIFT TO WORK THEY SPELL DANGER I GREW UP RUNNING ONE AND HAVE SEEN PEOPLE HURT WITH THEM FOR A LITTLE MORE MONEY YOU CAN FIND A TRACTOR WITH LIVE PTO FORD 3000 DIESEL 35 MF 135 MF DIESEL ARE GOOD TRACTORS GO TO A AUCTION LOOK AROUND TAKE SOMEONE WHO KNOWS TRACTOR GET SOMETHING YOU CAN WORK WITH 8N WAS A GOOD TRACTOR FOR ITS TIME

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