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Glenn Neumann

09-07-2002 05:30:31




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A friend & I have running disagreement about order of tillage. We agree to rotary mow tall grass then moldboardplow. Next I disc several times then cultipact then seed (hay) with rotary spreader seeder(less expensive than grain drill), then cultipact. My reasoning is to chop up sod while loose so get even seed bed with fewer passes. Their reasoning is to bury sod and flatten field with 1st pass so less lumpy. Any comments on your preferred method would be helpful.

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What I Do, by Robert in W. Mi.

09-08-2002 06:33:43




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 Re: order of tillage in reply to Glenn Neumann, 09-07-2002 05:30:31  
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In heavy sod, i rotary cut the field. I then prefer to let the heavy green grass/weeds set a couple days to dry out before i rotavate. If there's heavy trash, i like to wait 3 or 4 days, and rotavate a second time. This really incorporates the trash into the ground, and gets it working for you!! The field is now ready to plant!! On lighter sod, you don't have to rotavate the second time!! Even with one pass of my rotavator, the field will be nice and flat with NO ridges! I do this for customers quite often, even though they all ready own all the tools you mentioned! Robert

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Roy in UK

09-09-2002 09:37:05




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 Re: Re: order of tillage in reply to What I Do, by Robert in W. Mi., 09-08-2002 06:33:43  
To be honest with you if there is one implement that has gone way out of fashion here in the UK it is the Howard Rotavator.They seem to be used occasionally for knocking about the odd bit of rough land, or as a "one pass" implement around the headlands, but that is about it. Once upon a time everybody had one, and now, nobody wants one. Have you ever seen what a freshly rotovated clayey field looks like after an inch of rain has fallen on it? :(

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paul

09-07-2002 12:03:28




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 Re: order of tillage in reply to Glenn Neumann, 09-07-2002 05:30:31  
Here in Minnesota it works best to plow in fall, work & seed in spring. Catch the rains the best of new seed, & winter mellows out the lumps.

If all in a few weeks or less time, I would plow (not mow, just plow), run a harrow (drag to some) over it in a few hours in the same direction as it was plowed (as the lumps start to dry, but are not dried to the core), then disk a few times - preferably a day after a rain to soak up the lumps. Then drag, seed, & drag. (I don't have a cultipacker or I would be using that instead of the drag. :)

--->Paul

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John In Iowa

09-07-2002 12:43:42




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 Re: Re: order of tillage in reply to paul, 09-07-2002 12:03:28  
I agree with the fall plowing and spring planting. If I go that route I usually don�t use roundup and the winter cold will kill most of the roots. With what weed seed you been up plowing the winter will kill before they go to seed.

John In Iowa



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John In Iowa

09-07-2002 06:19:23




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 Re: order of tillage in reply to Glenn Neumann, 09-07-2002 05:30:31  
You have it pretty well right. When preparing ground for a new hay field and it is in grass, I like spray with roundup and wait about a week to 10 days. This will kill all of the grass and weeds. I like to go over it with a disk first before I plow. This cut up the sod and will turn over better when you plow and you don�t have the ribbons that are hard to work up. Next disk and level the field, remember you are going to be driving over it for the next 4 or 5 years. Cultipactors are by far the best tool to use when putting in grass seed or alfalfa. Going over the ground first will finish preparing the seed bed, then broadcast your seed. I usually mixed alfalfa seed with fertilizer and use a fertilizer spreader and cut the rate in half and go over it twice. Last roll it in with a cultipactor. This will give the seed good contact to the soil and not put it in too deep. I have seen that with a drill no matter how hard you will try it will be put the grass and alfalfa too deep and a lot will not come up.

John In Iowa

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poor farmer

09-09-2002 07:12:34




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 Re: Re: order of tillage in reply to John In Iowa, 09-07-2002 06:19:23  
that round-up plus the time and fuel of plowing and disking is $$.. if I were using round-up I would use no-till.


if I were plowing I would skip the round-up.



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charlie

09-08-2002 07:49:31




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 Re: Re: order of tillage in reply to John In Iowa, 09-07-2002 06:19:23  
for sod crops i start off by sub soiling 18 to 24 inches deep,moldboard plow,disk harrow,apply fertizer,disk lightly,finish harrow,and sow with brillion seeders.we do a little custom work for alaphalfa growers using the same process.we also apply ag lime every other sod crop at the rate of 3 tons per acre.good luck



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