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MF 124 baler problems.....defining terms

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Jim.UT

09-02-2002 10:05:22




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I've received lots of suggestions on my knotter problems. Thanks to all who have responded. However I find myself lost in the terminology. Even the manual uses terms that they don't define leaving me wondering what it is I'm supposed to be looking for.

After playing with this thing for another hour or so I find that the right side knot comes undone about the time the bale pulls it off the bill hook. As I examine the two ends of twine I find no knot in either end. The manual suggests looking at the "hay dogs" when there is no evidence of a knot. They don't tell me what a "hay dog" is nor do they show a picture for us really stupid types. So I'm lost.

I've also been advised here to look at the "twine tuckers" or "tucker fingers". Those words are also not found in my MF manual so I'm unsure what I'm supposed to be looking at. I just read the section on twine tension and I'm going back out to check that. This baler has one twine tensioner for both sides so I have a hard time understanding how tension could be wrong on one side and ok on the other.

Thanks again for any enlightenment.

This baler worked fine last year. Hasn't worked worth a bleep this year. No, I haven't changed twine.

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JMS/MN

09-02-2002 16:38:12




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 Re: MF 124 baler problems.....defining terms in reply to Jim.UT, 09-02-2002 10:05:22  
I mentioned tucker fingers. On a NH baler, they are half-moon shaped, on top of the bale chamber, and help wipe the twine off the knotter. Hay dogs are metal peices on the bottom (maybe also on top on some balers?) of the bale chamber, like checkvalves, that keep the bale from going forward after each stroke when the plunger retracts to get another slice to add to the bale. They are stops that hold the hay in place.

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Denny

09-02-2002 14:51:50




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 Re: MF 124 baler problems.....defining terms in reply to Jim.UT, 09-02-2002 10:05:22  
Jim. Just a thought. If you have a camcorder you could record the knotters in action and playback in super slow motion. You may be able to see the problem that way. The knotters do their thing so fast it's just a blur. I havent tried this but I wanted to just to see them working. They are a wonder of engineering to me. Good luck. Denny.



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Farmer Gene (WI)

09-02-2002 12:58:30




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 Re: MF 124 baler problems.....defining terms in reply to Jim.UT, 09-02-2002 10:05:22  
Jim, my manual says if there's no knot in either twine, it's twine sheared in twine discs, billhook not revolving, or billhook tongue fails to open. The tucker fingers are half moon shaped located under the knotters, one for each knotter mounted on the bale chamber, they bring the twine over so the bill hook can pick it up, they have a return spring so make sure that's working. The wiper arm pushes the knot off the billhook, it should rub gently as it moves across the bottom of the billhook, make sure the twine cutter is sharp also. There should be one bolt on the right side of the knotter assembly, if you remove that you can rotate the whole knotter assy up and watch the wiper arm and billhook turn. Also sometimes a bad ball of twine will drive you crazy, so you might want to put a new one in. Check to make sure the twine is routed to the needles correctly, thru all the guides etc. Hope this helps.

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Jim.UT

09-02-2002 13:07:39




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 Re: Re: MF 124 baler problems.....defining terms in reply to Farmer Gene (WI), 09-02-2002 12:58:30  
I don't know what wiper everyone is referring to. The only thing I can see that removes the knot from the bill hook is the tension of the twine as the tied bale moves down the chute. My manual makes no mention of a wiper. I'll go look again.



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knot untieing as it comes....glc

09-02-2002 10:50:48




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 Re: MF 124 baler problems.....defining terms in reply to Jim.UT, 09-02-2002 10:05:22  
off the bill hook, probably means that the billhook/tongue is not holding the twine long enough to pull one or both ends through the knot.

1. is twine disc holding sufficient to give enough length on the twine ends that.....

2. the bill hook has something to grab and hold??

3. if yes, billhook tension is too light (or badly worn, unable to hold) to pull the ends through the loop to make a knot.

4. if ends on knot are of good length, billhook pulling ends through, and bale pressure unraveling the knot before it can pull down and hold, check the twine tensioner to be sure there is enough hold back on the twine to give a slightly tighter knot during the tieing process before the knot clears the billhook.

Garry

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was assuming 'hay dogs' working properly -- nt~~glc

09-02-2002 10:57:28




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 Re: Re: MF 124 baler problems.....defining terms in reply to knot untieing as it comes....glc, 09-02-2002 10:50:48  
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Jim

09-02-2002 10:26:54




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 Re: MF 124 baler problems.....defining terms in reply to Jim.UT, 09-02-2002 10:05:22  
Jim,it has been awhile since I worked on a square twine baler since buying a rd. baler but there is a wiper that suppossed to push or slide the tied knot off of the billhook which forms the knot.Hay dogs are pieces off metal above and below the bale chamber on balers that I am familiar with that have springs on them.When plungerhead compresses hay,they help hold it while tying process is happening.Hope this helps,Jim

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Jim

09-02-2002 10:25:34




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 Re: MF 124 baler problems.....defining terms in reply to Jim.UT, 09-02-2002 10:05:22  
Jim,it has been awhile since I worked on a square twine baler since buying a rd. baler but there is a wiper that suppossed to push or slide the tied knot off of the billhook which forms the knot.Hay dogs are pieces off metal above and below the bale chamber on balers that I am familiar with that have springs on them.When plungerhead compresses hay,they help hold it while tying process is happening.Hope this helps,Jim

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