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Craig M

08-16-2002 18:43:24




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I looked at a 270 today to buy, guy says it will tie for a while, then stop tying. Has new knotters. He lent it to a neighbor who broke a needle, hasn't worked right since. Has been sitting outside for about a year(no hay in it), also has a tight area, can't rotate shaft full rotation. Is cheap enough, but can it be repaired fairly easily?




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Glenn Neumann

08-24-2002 06:35:22




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 Re: New Holland 270 problem in reply to Craig M, 08-16-2002 18:43:24  
I have a NH 275 baler that I have extensively rebuilt. Trying to trouble shoot one problem led to another and the observed problem is frequently connected to others. I got a manual to start, turn over the flywheel by hand, cleanup - blow off ALL the loose hay, dust and rust. Then my problems related to some sheetmetal or plate supporting the knotter was rusted enough that there was not firm support so when a heavy wad came in, it bent and worked differently. Also the plunger bearing on the bottom had end play so the bales didn't cut off uniform and one side was tighter than other. To fix the sheet metal I used 3/16 stock. Took careful accurate measurements of slots and holes and made drawing. Then take drawing to local sheetmetal fab and get quote. The best place had a plasma torch that worked like a computer printer. It cost $100. Then use a wire welder (flux core) clamp parts into place, test, adjust then weld.
Afterwards, with a similar part I found the local dealer has a part number but is no longer stocked. I e-mailed NH asking for print who responded with VP of marketing. Once I gave him the part no, he e-mailed a scanned photo of print.
Other related places to look: sheered woodruff key on knotter spindle, and DON'T firmly bolt the little tab on the knotter to the frame. You need to use a self locking nut so the bolt can remain just a little loose. This stops bending and misallignments. The friction plate may be worn or out of adjustment so that the knotter can vibrate down some. This usually makes the safey latch trip and then breaks a shear pin. Accept the fact that some money must be spent and replace tired springs worn castings and stripped bolts. I don't accept the concept of "jinxed" machines. I used to get "random" missed bales, now they just don't happen. Random just means something is happening that I don't yet understand.

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Dan

08-17-2002 21:08:37




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 Re: New Holland 270 problem in reply to Craig M, 08-16-2002 18:43:24  
Intermittant tying problems are the worst kind. Since you don't know what conditions the man was running under you don't know for sure it that would be the same for you. H may have had windrows that were uneven. Generally if it works then quits, something is loose or worn badly. Another thing to check is hay dogs, they sometimes get hay underneath and let hay loose duing the tie operation. as said before needles may not have been adjusted properly when replaced. As far as not rolling clear through cycle I would agree that maybe there is a tight bearing or something out of adjustment. Does it hit needle safty stop? If it has set for a couple years there may be rust buildup in it preventing it going through the full stroke. Most of these things are easily and quite cheapely fixed. Get an operator's manual and it will help greatly with adjustments and trouble shooting.

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Dan

08-17-2002 21:08:26




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 Re: New Holland 270 problem in reply to Craig M, 08-16-2002 18:43:24  
Intermittant tying problems are the worst kind. Since you don't know what conditions the man was running under you don't know for sure it that would be the same for you. H may have had windrows that were uneven. Generally if it works then quits, something is loose or worn badly. Another thing to check is hay dogs, they sometimes get hay underneath and let hay loose duing the tie operation. as said before needles may not have been adjusted properly when replaced. As far as not rolling clear through cycle I would agree that maybe there is a tight bearing or something out of adjustment. Does it hit needle safty stop? If it has set for a couple years there may be rust buildup in it preventing it going through the full stroke. Most of these things are easily and quite cheapely fixed. Get an operator's manual and it will help greatly with adjustments and trouble shooting.

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NHBalerman

08-17-2002 19:19:29




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 Re: New Holland 270 problem in reply to Craig M, 08-16-2002 18:43:24  
Where is this baler at? If you don,t want it I will be glad to buy it if it is close to East Texas. Thanks



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NHBalerman

08-17-2002 19:16:28




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 Re: New Holland 270 problem in reply to Craig M, 08-16-2002 18:43:24  
Where is this baler at? If you don,t want it I will be glad to buy it if it is close to East Texas. Thanks



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pappy

08-16-2002 22:39:29




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 Re: New Holland 270 problem in reply to Craig M, 08-16-2002 18:43:24  
if only one needle was broke your not out of time,something must have been run in it. I picked up a chunk of wood and broke one needle once.I would start with the replaced needle adjustment. If the needle dosen't place the twine properly the twine holder can't pick it up. you will need a manual, by hand rotate the baler so the needles move to the top of the stroke and adjust to your baler specs. and I have found that on older balers that miss a few bales now and then will do better if you use a better twine, not all 9000 twine is the same. happy baling -- pappy

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KEN

08-16-2002 20:44:31




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 Re: New Holland 270 problem in reply to Craig M, 08-16-2002 18:43:24  
I have a 275 that stop tying on one side.Found out the knife arm bushings were worn out. Put on new ones has'nt missed one since.



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Garry

08-16-2002 19:42:25




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 Re: New Holland 270 problem in reply to Craig M, 08-16-2002 18:43:24  
Not familiar with a 270, but with my 273 - first thing to check on starting to miss ties when things have been working okay, except for a timing problem, is to make sure the twine fingers are able to function properly, assuming everthing is in correct adjustment. Problem is most noticeable if in some 'dry' grass, ie.. drought conditions or past frost, where there is a lot of dry chaff buildup from the already dead grass coming apart, at the bottom of the knotter assembly where the twine fingers are located.

Second thing I would check would be 'twine quality', have come across some that will have bad areas that extend for several feet within the ball/bale/spool (whatever ya call it!)

Broke needle - tight place that can't pass.....sounds like the plunger headlock activated -- timing problem!! If the 270 is like a 273, the small shear bolt at the knotter assembly 'can' shear but not fall out and release. Mine done that once, held in at an angle and let the knotter get just enough out of time it broke a needle and then activated the headlock. (Added a few 'grey hairs' finding that problem)

Could be for the price of a new shear bolt at the knotter assembly, be up and running, but then it is a baler -- maybe not!!

Tight place could be a bearing out and locked up, knives out of clearance and clashing, or something in the feeder area.....?????

good luck

Garry

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jon

08-16-2002 20:21:22




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 Re: Re: New Holland 270 problem in reply to Garry, 08-16-2002 19:42:25  
Keep looking , some knotters are jinxed and can be impossible others are bulletproof. neighbors 273 has been a pain since it was bought new and dealer went thru it twice the first year, everyone in the county that thinks he knows something about balers has had a try, Ive got a 273 that is so worn that the tire fell off. noisey as a bar type round baler. baled over 4500 bales with poly and sisal twine. missed maybe 50 bales. New Holland mechanic just shakes his head and says DON"T TOUCH IT, when it breaks then fix it.

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maybe got ya beat - glc

08-17-2002 20:08:37




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 Re: Re: Re: New Holland 270 problem in reply to jon, 08-16-2002 20:21:22  
maybe -- you said maybe 50 miss out of 4500, if my math is right!! that is 1 miss per 90. The best my 273 has done was 1 miss out of 108 (actual count). But then you said 'maybe', meaning to me you didn't have an 'exact' count, working off of best memory..... so you might have done quite a bit better or a little worse. Would guess for the better, as a mistie seems to exagerate itself. Would also venture to speculate - probably twine quality as a cause of a good percentage over baler fault..... lots of twine to wrap 4500!!!

Congrats....have talked to some 'new baler' owners that don't get that good.

Garry

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paul

08-18-2002 22:28:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: New Holland 270 problem in reply to maybe got ya beat - glc, 08-17-2002 20:08:37  
Hum, I suppose 1 out of 100 bales missed is about right, but I'd want there to be a good reason for that miss. My NH 270 frequently misses when the twine balls change, I won't count those. And it will miss when I bale way to wet crap - I will forgive it for that.

Just baled 1400 bales of grass & alfalfa, plus 550 bales of straw with the old 270, and it missed 5 wet bales, 4 twine changes, and 3 other misses - some could have been twine changes. (Oh, and 20 out of 100 bales were not tied on that goll-derned bad ball of twine I had. Burned the rest of that ball when I got back to the yard. I can't say they weren't _tied_ - it was more of a no-twine-there-to-tie issue...)

Nothing new but 2 springs has been put into the knotters in my lifetime, 2-5,000 bales a year. Broke & had the needles rewelded years ago when the chain broke & dad forgot about that issue....

It bales better when the 2 lower bolts holding the knotter assembly are loose so the whole thing can wiggle - particular to my machine, I'm not saying that will help any other.

--->Paul

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Tim(nj)

08-18-2002 08:19:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: New Holland 270 problem in reply to maybe got ya beat - glc, 08-17-2002 20:08:37  
My new Hesston 4550 has done 4,894 bales since I bought it in April, and hasn't missed one yet. Wonder how long that will keep up? :)



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Jerry D in NC

08-18-2002 12:09:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Holland 270 problem in reply to Tim(nj), 08-18-2002 08:19:18  
Shouldn't have said that. Oh boy be looking for some wood



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Jerry D in NC

08-18-2002 12:08:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: New Holland 270 problem in reply to Tim(nj), 08-18-2002 08:19:18  
Shouldn't have said that. Oh boy be looking for some wood



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