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Ludwig

07-08-2002 10:31:30

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I got a 2 bottom plow that I can pull behind my Super M. Its a whole load of fun and I plowed a bunch of ground with it and now want to get serious about cleaning up some old fields. I want to put down some winter rye this fall and then maybe oats or corn next summer to attract some deer.
The thing is these fields haven't been planted in decades and the sod is quite thick and after being hit by the plow they're quite bumpy. I figure I need a disc now but some of my relations have been telling me a peg or spring harrow would be better.
What say the brilliant minds here?

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JMS/MN

07-09-2002 22:10:57

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Re: What now? in reply to Ludwig, 07-08-2002 10:31:30

A plow is a primary tillage tool. A disc or field cultivator is a secondary tillage tool. A drag (coil tine, spike tooth or what some call a harrow) is a finish tool used before planting.

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JMS/MN

07-08-2002 22:38:17

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Re: What now? in reply to Ludwig, 07-08-2002 10:31:30

Most farmers would follow sod plowing with a disc, and then a field cultivator to level the field, since most discs ridge a lot. If you can only afford one secondary tillage tool, a disc is ok, making a second or third pass a less than full depth. Or, plow and then field cultivate several times to break up the lumps. Disc works better, but either CAN work- depends on what you can afford for your given acreage.

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Larry Metzgar

07-08-2002 17:31:37

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Re: What now? in reply to Ludwig, 07-08-2002 10:31:30

My votes for the disc. I have seen a lot of plowed fields straighend around with a heavy disc. Although it is a pretty sight after a rotovator goes through a field in early spring. I would be lost without ours.

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rednekelmo

07-08-2002 15:49:50

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Re: What now? in reply to Ludwig, 07-08-2002 10:31:30

go with the disk. it's more versitale than a peg tooth harrow. also it sounds like the clods are not just dirt but lots of organic matter like roots and the disk will cut them up where the harrow will ball them. also you can make a drag to help level and bust clods. try wellcasing electric poles heavy lumber ect.

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Robert in W. Mi.

07-08-2002 15:16:13

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Re: What now? in reply to Ludwig, 07-08-2002 10:31:30

The absolutely "BEST" way to deal with a plowed field, is to have me come over, or some one near you come over with a Howard rotavator and straighten your field out! One time over that plowed ground with a rotavator and it will be level and ready to plant!! You all so won't have all compaction built up from plowing, discing, discing, draging and then maybe discing again!! OR, all the soil loss from wind erosion because of haveing to go over and over the field again and again!! You won't believe your eyes when you see how a rotavator leaves a heavily sodded field that was plowed!! I get calls all the time from farmers that are trying to reclaim old ground with older pull type equipment, and i always see a smile on their faces as i'm driveing away! Robert

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Dave

07-08-2002 14:25:45

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Re: What now? in reply to Ludwig, 07-08-2002 10:31:30

I agree you need a disk.But I wouldn't go any bigger than a 10 ft for a Super M or you won't be able to pull it soft dirt.If you find a wheel disk you will be able to pull it home with your truck just put a chain and binder from one front gang to the front of the tongue on the disk to keep it from swaying back and forth.

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John Ne.

07-08-2002 13:20:22

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Re: What now? in reply to Ludwig, 07-08-2002 10:31:30

I agree with Burrhead, with sod that tough you need to hit it a few times with a disc, I'd look for an old 12-15 foot pull type disk or a little tandem with wheels, an M won't handle much more on land like that. If you got a choice between two discs, get the one with the biggest disc lays. John in Nebr.

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hay

07-08-2002 13:05:48

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Re: What now? in reply to Ludwig, 07-08-2002 10:31:30

i believe burrhead hit it right on the nose. that's the way i would do it also.

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Burrhead

07-08-2002 13:15:06

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Re: Re: What now? in reply to hay, 07-08-2002 13:05:48

hay has it rained enough to knock you out of the hay patch??? It rained everyday here in Chambers county for 13 days. It did'nt rain yestidy or today.

If the ground keeps drying up good I may drop about 35-40 acres of bahai and bermuda Thursday or Friday.

It's worked out good this time but if it starts up again the ground is saturated enough that we will flood.

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hay

07-08-2002 13:23:02

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Re: Re: Re: What now? in reply to Burrhead, 07-08-2002 13:15:06

we have not had near the rains you all got over there. just had a few hit and miss showers last week. gonna cut the hay field tomorrow (finally). be safe!

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Burrhead

07-08-2002 11:43:45

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Re: What now? in reply to Ludwig, 07-08-2002 10:31:30

Ludwig I run a spike harrow thru after the turning plow to breakup and level the hunks, then I run a disc over it 2-3 times to pulverize and smooth it when the ground has laid out like that.

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Ludwig - so...

07-08-2002 13:28:48

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Re: Re: What now? in reply to Burrhead, 07-08-2002 11:43:45

So I need both the spike harrow and disc or can I just get by with the disc?

I know theres lots of this kinda junk out there, but my not having a trailer makes getting it to the farm an awful pain.

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paul

07-08-2002 15:52:56

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Re: Re: Re: What now? in reply to Ludwig - so..., 07-08-2002 13:28:48

Here in Minnesota, one would plow in fall, let winter snow & frost mellow things out, and then work the ground nice and smooth - generally with a field cultivator with a harrow attachment, only takes one pass. But, lumpy sod is a bit more challenging. :)

If you want a good field by September, you probably will want both the disk & drag. The drag can also be used a week after planting to knock down weeds in a planted corn field - just as the corn peeks out. If you can plow & wait for a rain or two, that will help mellow out the lumps some - but will also make the sod want to root in again...

In perfect conditions you can get by with just one implement. How often do we have perfect weather? :)

--->Paul

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Ludwig - so...

07-08-2002 13:27:22

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Re: Re: What now? in reply to Burrhead, 07-08-2002 11:43:45

So I need both the spike harrow and disc or can I just get by with the disc?

I know theres lots of this kinda junk out there, but my not having a trailer makes getting it to the farm an awful pain.

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Burrhead

07-08-2002 16:36:40

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Re: Re: Re: What now? in reply to Ludwig - so..., 07-08-2002 13:27:22

I aint gonna argue with the fellers that say just a disc but I will say that's sure alot of extra work if you don't spike drag it after the turning plow and before the disc.

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