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Help identifying hay rakes.........

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Adam Wampler

07-05-2002 19:10:10




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Here at the Alpha Gamma Rho house at Virginia Tech he have three very old hay rakes. One was placed in the front yard many years ago and painted red and yellow. I found an IHC symbol stamped onto the axle case. It is the I and H inside the larger C. From prior knowledge and some research I believe that this symbol was used most often during the time period between about 1890 and 1930. The rake is very large with two large spoked wheels in the front and two smaller solid dish style wheels in the back. From pictures I've seen over the years the spoked wheels seem identical to ones used on other IHC implements in the late teens and through the 1920's. The other two rakes are almost certainly of John Deere origin. I pulled them both out of some tall weeds and brush this past week. The wheels are definitely yellow and beneath some dirt and dried grease I've discovered some surprisingly bright green paint. All three rakes are similar in size and design except the two I believe are John Deeres have spoked wheels in the back instead of the solid dish type founf on the supposed IHC. All three have levers designed to adjust ride height,(one for the left side and one for the right side) one to adjust tyne speed, and a small looped catch which puts the rake tynes into gear. The looped catch appears to be designed for a rope to be pulled by someone in front of the rake, so I presume this is an early pull type rake designed for use with a tractor, but I could be wrong. I know from pictures that both IHC and John Deere were using pneumatic rubber tires on their rakes by the late 40's and early fifties. Also I know that both companies by the 40's were building smaller rakes like the ones used today, but the three rakes here are about 15 feet long from the right front wheel to the extreme rear left corner. All three have grease fittings on various parts that are very similar to the ones used today. I'm sure I could easily use a modern grease gun to lubricate these parts. I estimate that these rakes were built sometime between the late teens and mid 1930's. My fraternity which is the national agriculture fraternity is a large old farm house built during the mid 1800's and as far as we know there has not been a functioning farm here since at least the 1950's. I would like to know more about when these rakes were manufactured, possibly what the model numbers are, and any special tips for restoring them. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Untl then keep em' crankin and keep em' farming.

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Tim(nj)

07-07-2002 07:34:03




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 Re: Help identifying hay rakes......... in reply to Adam Wampler, 07-05-2002 19:10:10  
Teeth are still available for them, should you decide to restore one of the Deeres.



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Bill

07-05-2002 19:28:29




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 Re: Help identifying hay rakes......... in reply to Adam Wampler, 07-05-2002 19:10:10  

Identifying those rakes to a specific year will be impossible by now. If an of them had(had) a wood tongue, then it was likly a horse rake to start with, and possibly that would make it older, but then again that really means nothing by age as horse rakes were bought new same as tractor rakes uo into the 50s. (early). SAame rake, different tongue. Do they have 3 bars with the teeth on them or 4. That definatly makes a difference in time as the three bar was older than the 4 bar> I idnt see one of thew newer hump back rakes with 2 rubber tires on the back tll in the late 50s. Good luck I still use a JD 4 bar rake my dad gave me. I had to weld teeth on to a gear that holds the rake teeth to a specific angle degermined by a lever on the left side facing it.

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Adam Wampler

07-05-2002 20:09:20




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 Re: Re: Help identifying hay rakes......... in reply to Bill, 07-05-2002 19:28:29  
Wow, fast response. Got it before I even stopped browsing this site. All three rakes have steel tongues with a hole for attachmnet with a pin I presume. That's why I've been fairly positive that they were pulled with a tractor. All three rakes have four bars. The IHC in the front yard seems almost completely intact. It even seems that all the teeth (I've grown up hearing tynes, which meant anything that moved material) are still on the rake. One of the John Deere rakes is missing one of the bars and has a wheel with some disconnected spokes (but they are all there and just need to be rewelded). The second John Deere rake seems completely intact, but both JDs need to have new teeth. Other than that is seems that they would function if all the siezed parts were freed. I'll take your word about the rubber tires, but I believe I've seen some IHC sales literature from the late 40's with pictures of "humpback" rakes with rubber tires. Anyway your input has been very helpful and I thank you very much.

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Leroy

07-06-2002 03:52:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Help identifying hay rakes......... in reply to Adam Wampler, 07-05-2002 20:09:20  
The 4 bar rakes would date from 1948 up, A John Deere 4 bar the no. would be 594, rubber tires in 4:00 x 36 were avaible years earlier but not boughten, what you are calling a humpback is actualy called a paralel bar rake and only were started being made in the mid 50's. As of now I have a 3 bar McCormick, 3 - 4 bar McCormick, a Case 4 bar, A john Deere -Dain 3 bar, John Deere 3 bar open gear, John Deere 3 bar closed gear, John Deere 594 L 4 bar low rubber, New Idea 4 bar low rubber, 2 - 3 bar New Idea, 3 - 4 bar No. 4 New Idea rakes setting in my yard, some good, most awaiting repairs, The New Idea, McCormick and Case to be rebuilt for sale to the Amish.

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Bill

07-06-2002 02:03:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Help identifying hay rakes......... in reply to Adam Wampler, 07-05-2002 20:09:20  

Perhaps they were making them, I just said I never saw any. Times were different then. People didnt go out and bu the latest thing like they do now. People were conservitive and used what still worked. I saw one of the new type rakes with wheels that haD teeth that went all around the wheel like the new ones do now, back i 1965 at a sale, and it was farily old then. Thats the ONLY one I saw for 20 yrs until they became popular as trhey are now.

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Adam Wampler

07-05-2002 19:15:17




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 Re: Help identifying hay rakes......... in reply to Adam Wampler, 07-05-2002 19:10:10  

I've asked a few local people familiar with older farm equipment about these rakes and they don't really help. Two of them didn't have much feedback, and the third would not tell me anything, but they kept hinting that they wanted to but them. I think he knew something that he did not want to tell me and he wanted to buy the rakes and use them to his advantage. None of them are for sale, but if anyone does have some idea of possible value then I would like to know just for the fact of knowing.

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Adam Wampler

07-05-2002 19:32:15




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 Re: Re: Help identifying hay rakes......... in reply to Adam Wampler, 07-05-2002 19:15:17  
One more thing....There are no hydraulic lines or PTO attachments on these rakes. The actual raking mechanism was driven by the two front wheels rolling on the ground when the raking tynes were put into gear. The rakes would have just been attached to a tractors drawbar or to a team of horses if they were horse driven. Thanks....



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paul

07-06-2002 23:14:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Help identifying hay rakes......... in reply to Adam Wampler, 07-05-2002 19:32:15  
'Here' in midwestern farm country you might get $25 a piece for those - nothing special, pain to use on anything but straight level fileds - you can't back up with them, etc.

Only way they are worth something is if they have a seat on them (horse days) and that seat happens to be cast iron....

--->Paul



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JMS/MN

07-05-2002 22:52:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Help identifying hay rakes......... in reply to Adam Wampler, 07-05-2002 19:32:15  
What you have are several ground driven rakes, I would guess from the 1940s to mid 50s, not the teens of the last century. After all, the early rakes from the 1900s were buck rakes, or horse rakes, and left hay in piles. When pull-type balers first appeared, horse rakes were used to dump hay in piles across the field, at right angles to the line of travel of balers, to make a windrow. Thus, side-delivery rakes, like you describe, were an improvement, because farmers could drive up and down the field to make a windrow for the baler to pick up. Horse rakes were pulled by a team of horses, and had a foot engaged device to dump the accumulated hay whever the pile accumulated to a sufficient amount to make a windrow. Subsequent passes across the field, the device was engaged at the same spot to dump the hay, thus making a windrow for the baler to follow, or in the earlier days, for the hayloader to follow. The hayloader was pulled behind the wagon, and lifted the hay up, and delivered it to the rear of the wagon where it was forked forward by hand.

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Jerry S

07-08-2002 14:17:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Help identifying hay rakes......... in reply to JMS/MN, 07-05-2002 22:52:04  
There were also some horse rakes that were side delivery rakes made on steel which would have been before the 1950's and before the pull type balers. Most time the dump rakes were used would be for using a buck rake or pitching onto a hay wagon for delivery to the barn. It was very messy to try and use a dump rake to make windrows though it was probably done.



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Frank M.

07-08-2002 16:35:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Help identifying hay rakes......... in reply to Jerry S, 07-08-2002 14:17:15  
The only time I raked hay was in 1972. I was 15 and my brother was 9. We went to visit my aunt and uncle in Kansas. He had a dump rake that was converted from horse drawn. He pulled it with a B Allis. The hay was ready to rake when we got there so he showed us what to do and let us have it. I drove the tractor and my brother rode the rake. Dad and my uncle sat in the shade and talked while we had our fun. So, yes they were used to make windrows.
Hope this helps.
Frank M.

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