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Steve

04-05-1999 13:54:26




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I'm told that an Allis Chalmers Model B would not go slow enough for a PTO Rototiller. Is this true?
What about a Ford 8N or 9N, would it be geared low
enough to allow a rototiller?
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Wayne

04-06-1999 13:31:45




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 Re: Rototiller - Tractor Gearing in reply to Steve, 04-05-1999 13:54:26  
The IH hydro tractors get right down and c r e e p.



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RMD

04-05-1999 15:27:59




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 Re: Rototiller - Tractor Gearing in reply to Steve, 04-05-1999 13:54:26  
If anything the Fords are geared faster in low gear. I haven't driven Bs and Cs much, but I am very familiar with the CA. First gear in a CA is pretty slow. The CA has a 4-speed vs. the 3-speed in a B or C. The best AC for rototilling would probably be a Series III D-10 or D-12 with a three-range transmission, but they aren't that easy to find.
Early Bs didn't have a whole lot of HP and could have trouble with a tiller.

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Gerald

04-05-1999 15:04:49




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 Re: Rototiller - Tractor Gearing in reply to Steve, 04-05-1999 13:54:26  
You need a tractor with a creeper gear option. There are few. You need about 1/2 mph with the engine at PTO speed. You won't get there with the auxiliary under/over transmission on an 8N because that transmission slows the PTO also. You want a tractor with a live PTO otherwise you will be pushing fence posts down at the end of the rows because the intertia of the spinning tiller will drive the tractor trough the simplistic PTO of the unlive PTO like the 8N has and you won't stop where you want. You can solve that stopping problem with an overrunning clutch, but you still need to have the tiller up to speed before putting it into the ground and beginning to move and you can't get that without a live PTO.

You might be better off to think of a tiller mounted power unit and then you can throttle the tractor back for lower ground speed.

Do a tractor search on "creeper" and you will find the tractors that have or had creeper gears as options... Might not find any in the AC B, Ford 8N era... Though I believe that was an option on some JD like 520 or 620... Close to the 8N era. Something like a 520/530 or 620/630, the creeper gear might be a field modification possiblity, just change a couple gears and shafts, if the creeper gears can be had from JD or a used machine.

Most tractors run 1.2 to 1.6 mph in their lowest gear at PTO speed and you need 0.5 so you need a lot of speed reduction without slowing the PTO.

A tracked drive like that on the IH quadtrack where the drive sprocket is much smaller than the original wheel would accomplish the needed speed reduction, but I've not seen any suitable parts already made...

Gerald

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Tim(nj)

04-06-1999 10:43:25




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 Re: Re: Rototiller - Tractor Gearing in reply to Gerald, 04-05-1999 15:04:49  
Get an MF65. At PTO speed, 1st low goes a whopping 0.5 mph. PTO is live, and there's plenty more power than a Ford N can give you. 65's hydraulics are better than Ford N, too. Plus, a good 65 can be bought for $3000 to $4000.



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Pedro

04-05-1999 14:21:09




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 Re: Rototiller - Tractor Gearing in reply to Steve, 04-05-1999 13:54:26  
You need a tractor with a granny. Some of the little Fords had a reduction gear.



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Jim WI

04-06-1999 11:08:34




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 Re: Re: Rototiller - Tractor Gearing in reply to Pedro, 04-05-1999 14:21:09  
The more common under-drives affected the PTO speed as well as the ground speed. There was one unit that changed the ground speed without changing the PTO -- the Howard rear end. Problem is that these are pretty rare, especially in working condition (about a year ago a group of N fans were putting together an order for a small number of gear sets for Howards -- they weren't cheap).



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